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Is there anything positive about the future direction of England?

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Original post by fallen_acorns
I can appreciate that we have different experiences with the Chinese community in the UK, and Im sure there are some communities in parts of the uk that do integrate very well, as well as those that I have experienced who dont.

I would add though, that I think a large reason that the heavy immigration critics ignore Chinese and most east Asian immigration, is due to its lack of connection to the EU, or Islam, two topics which always invoke scrutiny towards a minority group.

It's mainly because comparatively there's so few of them compared to Brown, Black and Eastern European people.
Original post by Ravenous
It's mainly because comparatively there's so few of them compared to Brown, Black and Eastern European people.


Actually one of the highest groups of immigrants are Chinese at the moment.


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Original post by paul514
Actually one of the highest groups of immigrants are Chinese at the moment.
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They are the reason why property prices in many parts of the UK are sky high. There are property conventions in China almost every other day. So the Chinese merely turn up and purchase these property - all this without having to enter the UK.

http://www.enviroestates.co.uk/china-desk/the-stats
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored/china-watch/business/11965722/chinese-companies-investing-in-uk-real-estate.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34542147

I am also looking to purchase a property in London in the coming months, with the help of my parents.
Britain isn't going in the right direction. But immigration isn't the problem. It's our slide in parochialism, conservatism, all right Jack attitudes, selfishness and gluttony. Then you throw in the great British tendency to blame out groups for our failings and problems.

Take what happened in Cologne. Shocking as it was, it was also quite unexceptional. It was strange to see so many Brits get angry at it when we live in a country with almost 200 rapes a day and that the also fairly recent news that up to 450,000 children were sexually abused barely elicits a response. Calling out migrants and the failings of their culture when we don't truly acknowledge the endemic levels of sexual violence in our own country is pure cognitive dissonance.
Original post by Audrey18
They are the reason why property prices in many parts of the UK are sky high. There are property conventions in China almost every other day. So the Chinese merely turn up and purchase these property - all this without having to enter the UK.

http://www.enviroestates.co.uk/china-desk/the-stats
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored/china-watch/business/11965722/chinese-companies-investing-in-uk-real-estate.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34542147

I am also looking to purchase a property in London in the coming months, with the help of my parents.


They aren't the reason prices are so high they are a symptom of those ever higher prices.

The only cause of rising house prices is not building enough houses to satisfy demand.

The extra demand comes from migrants each year and this has been going on for decades it has just continually speed up over the last two decades


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Original post by paul514
They aren't the reason prices are so high they are a symptom of those ever higher prices. The only cause of rising house prices is not building enough houses to satisfy demand. The extra demand comes from migrants each year and this has been going on for decades it has just continually speed up over the last two decades
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Please don't blame the migrants. Let them come in. They want a better life for themselves and their families.
Original post by RivalPlayer
I'm starting to believe that England isn't a good place to settle and have a family. I just don't see anything positive about the direction England seems to be heading in. We've got a buckling NHS, nurses leaving the NHS, doctors leaving the country, teacher recruitment crisis, problems with end-of-life care, an increasingly socially fragmented growing population and a lack of affordable housing.
We're constantly being told that we're a secular country yet no one ever talks about the growth of Islam which comes with its own issues in terms cultural changes and integration. And then there's Europe's migrant crisis which will likely worsen as conflicts unfold and the effects of global warming become more apparent. It is inevitable that Europe will cop the side effects of these emerging problems in a big way.

All of this stuff concerns me and in recent months, I've really started to think that England won't be the place to be if you plan on settling down, having a family and leading a good life. I think the ordinary citizen of the future will be living in a very fragmented society with low levels of social cohesion and will face a far poorer quality of life than they would today. I think Islam will also have a far greater presence than what we're used to now and that will create further division and friction in society. They'll be more non-diverse enclaves established with places like Newham / Tower Hamlets existing in far greater numbers. We'll see greater pressure placed on services and resources, but we'll accept it as a consequence of diversity because of our infamous tolerance.

The future doesn't look bright from where I'm sitting. Maybe I'm just overblowing it or perhaps you can relate.

How do you feel about the future of England?


Britain will evolve into a nation from military power to a peaceful nation, as modern time becomes more closer Britain will become more expensive and due to overpopulated the wages will slack behind due to pressure of workers coming in, however we are one of the most fairest, caring, powerful nations out there.
Would you perfer to live in powehungery Russia or Britain where we're stabled in power and elsewhere.
Original post by Audrey18
Please don't blame the migrants. Let them come in. They want a better life for themselves and their families.


Err blame and fact are different things.

What I said is a fact.


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Original post by stefano865
Nonsense.

There are plenty of people, particularly the elderly, who love spouting rubbish about how this country is going 'downhill'.

Every country has its problems. Taking everything into consideration this is still a great country to live in.

:wink:


They experienced a better, more cohesive, less fragmented country and can compare that to what exists today.

You will be able to do the same in thirty or forty years if you stay here. And you may regard what exists now as a haven of peace compared to what is to come as the social and cultural balkanisation accelerates.
Original post by RivalPlayer
I've come across Chinese people that don't feel a need to learn English despite living in London for decades. They rely on their English speaking children or goverment provided translators to translate as required. They live in such a way because their social circle only consists of other Chinese people. Not bothering to learn English is a prime example of poor integration.

Vietnamese gangs dominate the UK's £1bn cannabis trade. And almost all trafficked people linked to the UK cannabis industry are of Vietnamese ethnicity. These immigrants were given residency in this country and decide to repay the favour by flooding the UK with drugs and trafficking people for their own financial gain. Does that really make them better integrated than a radical Islamic hate preacher shouting "death to Great Britain" in Finsbury Park?
People from (Chinese and Vietnamese) communities are very closed-off and tend to keep a low profile. That's why you assume they're all well integrated and aren't doing anything harmful to the wider society.


inconsistent with first hand experience. Most of those you mentioned are mostly first generation immigrants.

There is a group called Chinese friends of conservative group, basically Chinese community that works closely with the conservative party to handle problems related to chinese immigrants, I've seen them and their work, they are all well integrated and dont commit crimes.

If you read the papers, Home office once mentioned that the Chinese community in the UK are least likely to claim benefits, more likely to be educated, more likely to work and pay taxes, and less likely to have health problems, and also least likely to commit crime.

What you said is pulled out of imagination.Absolutely not true.
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Original post by RivalPlayer
No, they wern't first gen immigrants. They came here in the late 80s and early 90s.
And none of this means there everything is above board. A lot of east Asian communities are very good at concealing illicit activities behind legitimate businesses. The Chinese (and Vietnamese) communities are silent and closed-off. The points listed doesn't mean they're culturally well integrated. Most still prefer to stick with their own people when it comes to socialising and relationships.

Apart from cuisine and Chinatowns, I can't think of any other significant cultural contributions from these groups. I can't even think of any prominent British Chinese figures in TV, radio or politics - despite decades of immigration. Even on this board, the Chinese contributors are predicatably non-existent or keep an incredibly low profile. Is that good integration? They are an insular community. And that's why the spotlight is never cast on them and they're made out to be the model immigrant success story with no apparent faults.


Yes, they are great at hiding and concealing these activities, apparently they also control the weather and move currencies, its just that these activities are all hidden from the public, the newspaper do not report them and we can only get these information by anonymous posters on public internet forums (which are certainly true beyond question). Man i need go and hunt some chinese to see what other activities they are hiding from us!
Original post by Phantom Lord
He's partially right about Vietnamese. Their nationals (probably) have the highest crime rate in the UK. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2963368/Romanians-EIGHT-times-likely-jailed-Britons.html


I dont really like them either tbh. but i wont stereotype them and paint everyone with the same brush.
Lets see

1) Buckling public services
2) Unaffordable housing
3) Uncontrollable borders / population
4) Large population , small island
5) Huge debt
6) Small but continued growing off hostile inhabitants at war with our values and culture

Looks pretty bleak. Action can be taken to try and combat some of the above.. but it wont
Original post by RivalPlayer
You think the Chinese money tied up in London's property market is 100% clean?
China leads the world in illicit cross-border money flows 2015 International Narcotics Control Strategy Report (INCSR)
And China consistently fails to cooperate with other countries in resolving cross-border money laundering.

The insularity is cultural.

But in your world every Chinese success story is an honest rags-to-riches tale.


:s-smilie: Its quite obvious that money that goes through LONDON, the world money laundering..., no i mean, world financial centre is not 100% clean.

I dont know how money coming from China should decide the way British Chinese behave, but of course you do, i mean, what is impossible with your tin foil hat?

In your world everything is pulled out from the bottom hole, that didnt pass through fact checkers, neither did it go through your brain.
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Original post by RivalPlayer
Lol, yeah I forgot as soon as dishonest Chinese immigrants settle in Britain they become honest. Damn, you're naive as fvck.


I also forgot that there is such a thing call immigration office that works to only allow desirable immigrants settle in britain.

Damn! every immigrant is a scum!
Original post by RivalPlayer
Yeah and that has worked amazingly well hasn't it? It's been so strict - only the BEST immigrants are allowed into Great Britain.


For Chinese immigrants it has been much stricter than former commonwealth countries like india and pakistani and some nons like nepal due to the the service of Gurkha soldiers.

This is why British Chinese are generally better off (more likely to be educated, less likely to commit crime, more likely to be healthy) because of the immigration selection.

And it also explains why the British Chinese community is so small, because its more controlled. Since the population is tiny, Its not common to see them on TV or radio.

Isnt that bloody obvious? I mean for people with normal IQ.



http://www.gov.scot/Topics/People/Equality/Equalities/DataGrid/Ethnicity/EthHealth


https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/399005/SFR06_2015_Text.pdf
Original post by RivalPlayer
What do these statistics have to do with cultural integration?


What does honest/dishonest money coming from china going through london has to do with cultural integration?
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This country will become a country of elite (politicians and wealthy entrepreneurs and professionals) and a bunch of poor multi-ethnic plebs that will struggle to afford to live in this country.

So if you're not too academic or entrepreneurial, then this country will not be ideal for you.

The UK will become dominated by money, with a decline in economically nonviable enterprises like pensions and benefits.

Which is a prospect that pleases me as a devout Capitalist.
Original post by RivalPlayer
You suggested that the Chinese were well integrated because they are educated, pay their taxes, have fewer health problems and don't claim benefits i.e. you were trying to paint them as a wholly honest ethnic group simply because of the reasons listed. I showed you that they are not.


You suggested that the British Chinese were not well integrated because of something going on thousands of miles away in China. The only thing you showed me is your stupidity, really, nothing else. There are a few British Chinese celebrities I can think off without even googling, and that is given the fact that they are such a tiny population.

Gemma Chan, Alexa Chung, that girl in harry potter, and Gok Wan.

You should read more books and watch more TV, and go out and mix around with more people.
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Original post by HucktheForde
You suggested that the British Chinese were not well integrated because of something going on thousands of miles away in China. The only thing you showed me is your stupidity, really, nothing else. There are a few British Chinese celebrities I can think off without even googling, and that is given the fact that they are such a tiny population.

Gemma Chan, Alexa Chung, that girl in harry potter, and Gok Wan.

You should read more books and watch more TV, and go out and mix around with more people.


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