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Old 25-05-2007: 25th May 2007 12:54 #1 
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Well, let's start with a rant!
I feel I've pretty much wasted £600 and the last two years at TVU (Thames Valley University, the former "Reading College&quot. Just thought I'd tell how I saw it from my perspective. I've no doubt I'm going to annoy someone, but if you think I'm wrong, form a reasoned argument and post it.

In 2005, I started a foundation plumbing course. I sailed through it with the highest overall marks, doing well in the practical, theory and key skills aspects.
However, I was rather startled to find that effort counts for absolutely nothing.

After putting exceptional effort into the technical drawings and key skills presentations, I then sat in a presentation while other people, who had not done a single thing, were allowed to go and print out something totally irrelevant off the internet and just stand and read from the page! In fact, I clearly remember one standing there, having not even read through, so that he said:
“…and for information you can click her….I mean here. Oh, I don’t think I was meant to read that.”
And they were allowed to do this over and over again until it scraped a bare minimum standard.

The whole foundation course appeared to be just about “bums on seats” – doesn’t matter how incapable someone was, they’d pass. “Everyone must have a prize”. I only remember one person getting kicked off the course, and that was because he fiddled his EMA. But it’s about educational standards, not the money, right?

And key skills was just a joke - questions like, "What belongs at the end of a sentence. A full stop or an elephant"?
And yet still 50% failed. They probably answered "release back into the community" for that one, though...

I was at a builders merchants when I saw one guy's leaflets pinned up.
This boy was consistently and utterly hopeless, missed a large chunk of the course, and no-one I spoke to even remembers him being there for the last month. HOW did he pass?

I got onto year 2 of the NVQ. The standard was far higher, only three of us from year one made it through, and then was less messing about, so no griped there.
At this point, I needed a job in order to complete the practical aspect. How hard could it be? I can turn my hand to any skill needed – I’ve done everything from electricity network maps for the national grid to huge fence runs on farms in New Zealand.

Then I hit the snag – the Polish dimension. So when I ring up a plumber (one of the 45 CORGI registered ones in a 30 mile radius that hasn’t gone out of business), the answer’s either:
• “I have a choice – watch over an unqualified person who probably won’t be insured, or backhand a Pole £3 an hour”
• OR – “You’re from TVU? Sorry mate, no way!”

A lot of us who weren't already in the industry found the same thing.

That’s not a very enviable reputation for a college to have. Places for H&V students are in extremely short supply.
Here's a transcript from BBC Radio 4’s “file on four” programme, explaining exactly the problem I had:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme..._4/6366523.stm

I’ve also contacted the council and hospital’s subcontractors – all say exactly the same thing – I the last year or so, they can’t get insurance for people who aren’t qualified, so they can’t take me on.

I've decided to go in a different direction now, but I went back to the college for a couple of hours to print some stuff off and have a chat with a couple of the lecturers about the place. There was the usual spouting of figures - you know "of former polytechs based in the Kings Road we have the highest ratio of students to carpet in this postcode". That kind of thing.

But what struck me most, not having been in for a couple of months, was just what a weird, un-academic atmosphere the place had. I was trying to work in the computer room. I remember about 3 months ago, I quickly and discreetly answered my vibrating mobile and someone was on me in a second, waving at the "No Mobiles" sign even though I was almost whispering and there was lots of noise. But when I went back, there was one "special" guy, not even logged on, just sitting there making moo-ing noises. And in the far corner, 3 BIG dudes listening to rap music, loudly, through a tinny mobile phone.

When I asked if anyone was going to tell moo-ing man or rap-dudes to shut up, it was a case of "he's special so we're not allowed to interfere (even though he doesn't even have a PC account)". Oh, and sometimes he makes barking noises, as the girl the other side of me told me. "It's well annoying, can't concentrate or nuffink", as another message appeared on her MSN...oh, and the answer to the big dudes was "would YOU tell them to turn it off"?

Now, I'm not tarring ALL departments and students with the same brush, but just before Christmas (sorry, winterval or whatever it is now) I spoke to a woman in the queue at the cafe who said she'd just quit because every time she tried to discipline or kick someone disruptive or lazy off the course, she was told that as many people as possible had to pass, no matter what.

And that, ladies and gentleman, is Blair's vision 50% in higher education.
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The lowing student would probably be on the dole anyway. I suppose putting him in a 'university' replete with no-hopers is actually more cost effective.
 
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Actually, on topic, OP, why do you care what others in your course did or did not do? Surely your aim for going was to get as much out of it as possible. If you put in the effort you say, then you will have gotten plenty out of going there. When it comes to a job having a certificate will mean nothing to the others who can't actually do the work.
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Default Re: TVU - what a joke.
 
You pretty much summed up my UEL experience PERFECTLY! I've had people ask me what the ">" sign means, and someone insist that multiplying a number by 0.10 will make the number larger.

I really feel for you since I know pretty much how it feels. I guess survival is the key, just have to try to block it out and rise above it. It sounds cheesy but short of transferring (which isn't a walk in the park), it's all you can do to keep yourself sane.
 
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OP fab thread - repsy for ye tomorrow
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interesting reading, i guess its best to avoid these places. Good post op.
 
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ok how did moo-ing dude get to uni?!
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Hahaha, Iscariot, your avatar is so appropriate for this thread.

Seriously how can places like that be called universities? I mean i'm not trying to belittle polytechnics or anything, some of them do some great work, but this is just taking the piss?!
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It's sad that this doesn't surprise me at all And the OP summed it up perfectly with And that, ladies and gentleman, is Blair's vision 50% in higher education. 50% aren't capable of higher education, so 50% shouldn't be in higher education- simple as. It's bad enough having to put up with dimwits like that at school and it shouldn't really be acceptable at college/sixth form, but that people like that can get into uni really is ridiculous.
 
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Yep. Sorry about that OP, I hope you manage to get what you want. Rep for you.
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Originally Posted by Nessyfencer
Actually, on topic, OP, why do you care what others in your course did or did not do?
Here's what happens: A major task is set. We have four weeks. Extra tuition and after hours help is organised for the drongos who need it but never attend. Week three comes along. Warnings are given to all those who haven't started it. Hand in date comes, along with the excuses like "I had to go and celebrate the festival of Pashwari and I'm not allowed to work in the four weeks up until that". And when a critical mass have failed to hand anything in, the four people who bothered have two or three weeks of just kicking around or reading in the library.

The other aspect is when you speak to plumbers on the phone, and when you tell them where you're from, it's a case of "Sorry, we had a guy from there before. I'm sure you're very good, but never again".

Originally Posted by minimo
ok how did moo-ing dude get to uni?!
The way I see it, if you push 1/4 of a college's intake through the door in wheelchairs, you can tick a box. It's not fair on the people with the needs as they don't get the correct attention, and it's not fair on the people who are there to learn, as they can't concentrate when there's bovine mating calls happening.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not descriminating here. In fact, there was a deaf guy on the course. Very nice chap, worked very hard, did very well. Now, if I heard right, providing a full-time signer for two days a week costs around £23,000. Which is MORE than the tool budget for all the groups for the year.
I don't begrudge him that, as he's going to be a productive person with a niche market in plumbers for the deaf. In fact, I more begrudge the wasting chavs who can't be bothered to do anything more than wander around and....well, WHAT is so cool about listening to rap through a mobile phone speaker?

Just going back there made me feel like any semblence of willingness to learn was sucked out of me. Did I hear somewhere that TVU came bottom of a league table? Oh yes, here we go - 109 out of 109.

I suppose it's my own fault - what I SHOULD have done was paid the £2,000 for the private intensive course. But I didn't have the ready cash, and, you know, you assume a "University" might have better standards!
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OP don't worry if you have alot to offer and have a strong work ethic then you will get to places whilst those messing around will still be there in 5 years time
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Originally Posted by Fusion
OP don't worry if you have alot to offer and have a strong work ethic then you will get to places whilst those messing around will still be there in 5 years time
Funny you should say that - there's one guy who's managed to just do course after course; photography, art, media studies etc, and has been there for NINE years! I don't know how - but there you go.

Right, well, that's enough ranting from me. I need sleep!
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Heh, like your rep within 3 posts and just joining digitaltoast. We feel for you.
 
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Originally Posted by kellywood_5
It's sad that this doesn't surprise me at all And the OP summed it up perfectly with And that, ladies and gentleman, is Blair's vision 50% in higher education. 50% aren't capable of higher education, so 50% shouldn't be in higher education- simple as. It's bad enough having to put up with dimwits like that at school and it shouldn't really be acceptable at college/sixth form, but that people like that can get into uni really is ridiculous.
Completely agree with this.
TVU's "reputation" is well known, and sadly it isn't all good, as the OP has unfortunately found out.
OP - I hope things look up for you soon.
 
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Completely agree with this.

Thanks for the rep
 
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OP.. You don't sound like you 'belong' at TVU.. can you take your qualification from there and get on a foundation course at a different uni?

I would say 'surely TVU have a careers department in order to find you a job to complete your qualification' but.. er.. I doubt they do! However, check this out: http://www.tvu.ac.uk/careers/index.html

Go in and demand they find you a placement.
 
 
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