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q9 ex 3A

don't get part b)
Original post by tazza ma razza


How many ways are there of choosing 2 in 6?
Original post by SeanFM
How many ways are there of choosing 2 in 6?


yh but it mentions 7 draws
Original post by tazza ma razza
yh but it mentions 7 draws


You're not wrong.. but that doesn't help for now.

To get the 3rd one on the 7th draw, you don't care how you got them in the first 6 as long as you got 2 in the first 6, and then the 7th MUST be the 3rd one.

Now think about my previous hint again.
Original post by SeanFM
You're not wrong.. but that doesn't help for now.

To get the 3rd one on the 7th draw, you don't care how you got them in the first 6 as long as you got 2 in the first 6, and then the 7th MUST be the 3rd one.

Now think about my previous hint again.


binomial 6c2 blah blah blah then

kinda makes sense...
Original post by tazza ma razza
binomial 6c2 blah blah blah then

kinda makes sense...


If you are still stuck keep asking questions about it, or tell me which bits you can't see.
Original post by SeanFM
If you are still stuck keep asking questions about it, or tell me which bits you can't see.


haha dw as you can probably see, anything i don't get i post on the exam thread aha. Thanks btw, would rep but wont let me :smile:
When carrying out an F test for variability, do we need to include the lower F tail values as well? For example, S4 june 2012 q3 they show a calculation in brackets for the F test and the critical value in brackets, I don't understand where the critical value in the bracket comes from (I know we don't need to include the bracket answers).

Lets say that question asked you to work out the lower critical value for the F test (assuming the test statistic was 225/36), the value shown in brackets is still wrong, I calculated 0.3257?
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Original post by A Question
When carrying out an F test for variability, do we need to include the lower F tail values as well? For example, S4 june 2012 q3 they show a calculation in brackets for the F test and the critical value in brackets, I don't understand where the critical value in the bracket comes from (I know we don't need to include the bracket answers).

Lets say that question asked you to work out the lower critical value for the F test (assuming the test statistic was 225/36), the value shown in brackets is still wrong, I calculated 0.3257?
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I noticed that you have to as well. It is a two tailed test, after all. However, it feels like the mark scheme suggests that you can do the inverse (ie 36/225 instead of 225/36) and use the opposite tail for the test, which I suppose makes sense.

How did you calculate 0.3257? :h:
Original post by SeanFM
I noticed that you have to as well. It is a two tailed test, after all. However, it feels like the mark scheme suggests that you can do the inverse (ie 36/225 instead of 225/36) and use the opposite tail for the test, which I suppose makes sense.

How did you calculate 0.3257? :h:


The upper critical value at the 5% for F (10,8) = 3.35 from tables. Hence a lower critical value for that test would be 1/F(8,10). From tables, F (8,10) is 3.07 and so I calculated 0.3257. Can you verify this?

It seems the mark scheme has not calculated lower critical values and has opted for an alternative method I guess. The only explanation that occurs to me is that a lower critical value can be ignored since if the F test statistic is close to one (zero) then it suggests that the variances are very close to each other and perhaps equal.
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Original post by A Question
The upper critical value at the 5% for F (10,8) = 3.35 from tables. Hence a lower critical value for that test would be 1/F(8,10). From tables, F (8,10) is 3.07 and so I calculated 0.3257. Can you verify this?

It seems the mark scheme has not calculated lower critical values and has opted for an alternative method I guess. The only explanation that occurs to me is that a lower critical value can be ignored since if the F test statistic is close to zero then it suggests that the variances are very close to each other and perhaps equal.


I apologise - what they've calculated isn't the lower tail (where you would be right, it's 1/F(8,10) but they've done the test where, at every stage, they've done 1/test value, 1/critical value etc as a (rather strange) alternative method.

I would like to say (although I am not sure how accurate it is), that, since they've got the test statistic and it is a rather large value, you know that you don't need to look at the lower tail so they don't bother with it.
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Original post by SeanFM
I apologise - what they've calculated isn't the lower tail (where you would be right, it's 1/F(8,10) but they've done the test where, at every stage, they've done 1/test value, 1/critical value etc as a (rather strange) alternative method.

I would like to say (although I am not sure how accurate it is), that, since they've got the test statistic and it is a rather large value, you know that you don't need to look at the lower tail so they don't bother with it.


Ok thanks. It appears that the convention is to use the larger sample variance to manipulate the test. The accuracy of the test I think is the same.

Source: https://people.richland.edu/james/lecture/m170/ch13-f.html
Original post by A Question
Ok thanks. It appears that the convention is to use the larger sample variance to manipulate the test. The accuracy of the test I think is the same.

Source: https://people.richland.edu/james/lecture/m170/ch13-f.html


Ah I see, that explains it a lot better :tongue:
When we calculate a critical region for a hypothesis test using a discrete distribution, is it always convention to go for an actual significance level which is less that the level they specify?

In the question below they use < rather than ≈ which I normally use

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How would you go about doing Q6a in the paper linked below:
http://qualifications.pearson.com/content/dam/pdf/A%20Level/Mathematics/2013/Exam%20materials/31_S4_June_2006.pdf
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I have 2 questions. 2013 R question 7 and 8. Especially 7
Original post by Euclidean
When we calculate a critical region for a hypothesis test using a discrete distribution, is it always convention to go for an actual significance level which is less that the level they specify?

In the question below they use < rather than ≈ which I normally use

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The convention is that you go for the one that is closest to the significance level required. This could be above or below the significance level.
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What have you tried? :h: it looks like you should use the definition of E(f(x)) (integration) to find it.
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I have 2 questions. 2013 R question 7 and 8. Especially 7


Please link the paper :h:
Original post by SeanFM
The convention is that you go for the one that is closest to the significance level required. This could be above or below the significance level.


I thought so. I found it weird they'd used strictly below in that question. Thanks again!

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