Muslim Girl on the train

Here you seem to have conflated the past and the present. If women nowadays have access to similar wages and job opportunities as men - as you have just said, and as I myself believe - then a system in which they are permanently financially dependent on their closest male kin has become unnecessary, hasn't it?



Mandating a smaller inheritance for women clearly restricts their ability to provide for themselves and damages their financial security.



How can you posit that men have a greater ability to make money and provide for themselves and their families, and then reach the conclusion that they should inherit more money to somehow compensate?

You're trying to paint a picture of a society that exhorts men to support their female family members, and that's all well and good, but what I see is a system that limits the opportunities available to women and ensures that they will always need that support.

In a perfect world, where people always care for those who need their care, this system might even work - except, of course, that the women involved will always live less happy and fulfilled lives because they are less able to choose what path their lives take. What worries me, though, is that people are not perfect. What happens when a man shirks his supposed duty to the women in his family? Those women will not be able to work because society expects them not to, they are not provided for, and they have no inheritance to fall back on in the meantime - they are in serious financial trouble!

so what you are saying is.... islam as a means to make law, is relevant only to a society of the 8th century, not the 21st. wow, thats some shocking revelations[/QU

the qur'an was sent for all of mankind, it was suitable for the conditions in the 8th century and is still suitable in the 21st century. as i have previously mentioned, there is no restriction on a woman working to earn a living. the double inheritance and obligation on men is to ensure the financial security of women. now you can argue that women have more or less equal opportunities to provide for themselves now, but that would only apply to some parts of western societies, but in the vast majority of the world, women still do not have the same opportunities as men and islam caters to the need of everyone, not just certain individuals. sure some women in the west might not need other males to help them financially, but there are still many women in other parts of the world that do. so if islam didn't pass that law on inheritance, although it may not have a negative impact on some individuals in the west, it would have an impact on other individuals around the world, which outnumber those not affected. islam looks for the greater good of a community, not just for certain individuals

so you are backtracking from essentially saying that islam is designed for the 8th century, to now saying its designed for the third world that houses most of the worlds muslim population.

instead of again trying to work around the problems of 8th century/developing society as islam tries, why not follow the western plan of educating women, encouraging them to the workplace, to make their own financial plans, then the islamic edicts you describe wouldnt be needed at all, becuase society would be more equitable than it ever was under mohammed

Okay thanks, I still don't understand the 3rd verse

Quran (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"

islam deos not need to follow the western plan, it has encouraged men and women alike to seek knowledge and gain education long before the west. islam does not restrict women from working, that is what you are not understanding, women are not forbidden from working. islam has just put in place a system where women who are not able to provide for themselves are insured with financial security. what you're stating is like saying that welfare benefits are bad because their purpose is to encourage people to stay unemployed. the purpose of welfare benefits is to help individuals who do not earn enough, it does not restrict people from earning enough, it merely aids those who do not. just like the system put in place by islam does not restrict women from working and earning fro themselves, it merely aids those who are not able to.

Good England. But yes, I have a very good memory.

I'm just curious how women can be muslim when Islam is so sexist.

Started talking to a Muslim girl on the train, she said she was thinking about leaving Islam as she didn't think it was equal for women.

She had a Quran in English and showed me these verses, I was shocked.

Quran (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females"

Quran (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women.

Quran (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"