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If Cameron resigns be careful what you wish for.

So Britain leaves the EU and David Cameron resigns. Sounds great? No. A Brexit victory will mean that the Tory right has won. It may mean Cameron gets replaced by a right wing zealot who will return nasty Ian Duncan Smith back to head of workfare, bedroom tax and sanctions.
It will mean a government that looks out for the rich far more than what we have now. It will mean far more cuts and loss of benefits for disabled. It will mean more tax breaks for the rich.
And we won't have any protection from the EU.

So be careful what you wish for.

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Original post by ambitious1999
so britain leaves the eu and david cameron resigns. Sounds great? No. A brexit victory will mean that the tory right has won. It may mean cameron gets replaced by a right wing zealot who will return nasty ian duncan smith back to head of workfare, bedroom tax and sanctions.
It will mean a government that looks out for the rich far more than what we have now. It will mean far more cuts and loss of benefits for disabled. It will mean more tax breaks for the rich.
And we won't have any protection from the eu.

So be careful what you wish for.


Boris 2016
Putting aside the usual cliches about the evil, poor-hating Tories, the referendum decision is a long-term one about the role the UK wants in the world and what relationship in wants with the EU.

No-one should be basing their decision on short-term political changes. The impact of leaving the EU would be felt far beyond just this government.

Even those who want to leave must know that it will cause problems, economically at least, in the short-term, but they still want to vote to leave because they want a fundamental change in the UK's relationship with the EU.
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Well no, it means Osborne as First Secretary of State takes over as PM until a leadership election is held and then it'll be another centrist, this time one who's Eurosceptic, say Gove or Johnson (neither of whom are easily described as "right wing zealot").

And it won't happen anyway, Cameron won't resign and it's unlikely that they'd be enough brave Tories to force a vote of no confidence.
Original post by Ambitious1999
So Britain leaves the EU and David Cameron resigns. Sounds great? No. A Brexit victory will mean that the Tory right has won. It may mean Cameron gets replaced by a right wing zealot who will return nasty Ian Duncan Smith back to head of workfare, bedroom tax and sanctions.
It will mean a government that looks out for the rich far more than what we have now. It will mean far more cuts and loss of benefits for disabled. It will mean more tax breaks for the rich.
And we won't have any protection from the EU.

So be careful what you wish for.


David Cameron put IDS in charge of welfare in the first place. Regardless of your opinions on the validity of the welfare reform, it's bizarre logic to claim that we need David Cameron as PM to prevent a situation that occurred under David Cameron from happening.
Original post by Ambitious1999
So Britain leaves the EU and David Cameron resigns. Sounds great? No. A Brexit victory will mean that the Tory right has won. It may mean Cameron gets replaced by a right wing zealot who will return nasty Ian Duncan Smith back to head of workfare, bedroom tax and sanctions.
It will mean a government that looks out for the rich far more than what we have now. It will mean far more cuts and loss of benefits for disabled. It will mean more tax breaks for the rich.
And we won't have any protection from the EU.

So be careful what you wish for.


I wouldn't call Boris a right wing Zealot...
Original post by pol pot noodles
David Cameron put IDS in charge of welfare in the first place. Regardless of your opinions on the validity of the welfare reform, it's bizarre logic to claim that we need David Cameron as PM to prevent a situation that occurred under David Cameron from happening.


Haha very true!
Although I do see the point, some on the Tory right/ UKIP make Cameron seem socialist in comparison.
I'm not sure why people are saying Cameron should resign. He won an election which uses a voting system the majority of the country is content with.


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Original post by Underscore__
I'm not sure why people are saying Cameron should resign. He won an election which uses a voting system the majority of the country is content with.


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Because to be leader you need to command the confidence of the necessary parties, as leader of the Party he needs to command the confidence of his backbenchers; as PM he needs to command the confidence of the house, and indirectly the population at large, these are things that he will not be able to do.
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Original post by NickLCFC
Boris 2016


:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
Original post by Underscore__
He won an election which uses a voting system the majority of the country is content with.


They are? :s-smilie:
Why are you conflating Eurosceptism to right wing zealotry?
Original post by Jammy Duel
Because to be leader you need to command the confidence of the necessary parties, as leader of the Party he needs to command the confidence of his backbenchers; as PM he needs to command the confidence of the house, and indirectly the population at large, these are things that he will not be able to do.


Who can? Politics and political parties have become so fractured I'm not sure any politician can do all of those things.

Original post by TSRUsername99
They are? :s-smilie:


According to the last referendum, yes


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Original post by Underscore__
Who can? Politics and political parties have become so fractured I'm not sure any politician can do all of those things.



According to the last referendum, yes


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If nobody could do them then we would see that.
Original post by Underscore__
According to the last referendum, yes


That doesn't tell us they're content, only that they preferred it over the alternative offered.

Three-quarters want a more proportional voting system, new poll shows
Original post by Jammy Duel
If nobody could do them then we would see that.


So we throw our national politics into turmoil just to see if someone would be more popular with the liberal left wing and extreme right than Cameron? Good plan.

Original post by TSRUsername99
That doesn't tell us they're content, only that they preferred it over the alternative offered.

Three-quarters want a more proportional voting system, new poll shows


Given that three quarters of the electorate don't even understand other voting systems I wouldn't put much stock in these polls


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Original post by Underscore__
So we throw our national politics into turmoil just to see if someone would be more popular with the liberal left wing and extreme right than Cameron? Good plan.



Given that three quarters of the electorate don't even understand other voting systems I wouldn't put much stock in these polls


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I'm not quite sure you understand how motions of confidence work...
Original post by Jammy Duel
I'm not quite sure you understand how motions of confidence work...


Why is that?


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Original post by Bornblue
Haha very true!
Although I do see the point, some on the Tory right/ UKIP make Cameron seem socialist in comparison.


To be fair, when the Tories got voted into government, the slashing of the Welfare State and reductions in benefits was a hot ticket. People don't often remember but it was a wildly popular view at the time. In fact it still popular to an extent, as anybody who has done a lot of canvassing will tell you (and has done on this forum actually). You hear people shout and scream about it but don't mistake the loudest shouters for the most populous. IDS was given a job to do and I can assure you it was not just by his own accord.........
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Original post by Underscore__
I'm not sure why people are saying Cameron should resign. He won an election which uses a voting system the majority of the country is content with.


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When your party is split to this extent over something so important to the future of the country - under your watch - then your leadership will inevitably come under question. Senior party members openly campaigning for the opposite of what you are isn't insignificant but it's fair enough. Dissenting views are fine in a well-rounded entity and voices should be heard. But if such campaigning ends up contributing to bringing about the destruction of what you as leader are promoting, then your position as leader is untenable I'm afraid.

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