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Original post by macromicro
It's scary how close this referendum is going to be due to short-sighted simpletons who wear Union Jack underwear and think we need to close the borders.

It would be a massive step back in the progression we've made and would have to be reversed at some point in the future. The entire world is going to be one large union eventually - we need to all get used to that fact and help achieve it.


Original post by macromicro
Learn to debate, Stuart. You'll be far more exciting.


"Every individual is going to die eventually - we need to all get used to that fact and help achieve it."

So you'd advocate an individual using WMDs?

Same principle if you don't justify your assertion and then substantiate it.

Why do we need to hasten the progress? How can one possibly find that beneficial?
Original post by XcitingStuart
You never emailed back telling me how you were going to vote! :tongue:

So do you mind PMing me which you're going to vote?


Haha, sorry, I forgot! :colondollar:

I'm an undecided voter (which is how I've voted on this poll), though I'm leaning towards out. :K:
Original post by XcitingStuart
"Every individual is going to die eventually - we need to all get used to that fact and help achieve it."

So you'd advocate an individual using WMDs?

Same principle if you don't justify your assertion and then substantiate it.

Why do we need to hasten the progress? How can one possibly find that beneficial?


You'll find my reasons in some detail throughout this thread, e.g. above in reply to Dante.
In because I don't wanna pay import tax on **** I buy from Amazon.de or Amazon.fr etc.
Reply 44
Ironically the right have partly lost the referendum already due to their failed strategy. Conservatives and UKIP have turned it into a right wing question. No attempt has been made to accommodate the left wing narrative, one I actually associate with, Tony Benn made a brilliant socialist and left case for leaving. I can see how majority of the left would support the EU and I despise their reasoning but I get how for those on the left who wanted to leave are misrepresented and find no motive in the out campaign. Right wing leaders ride the migration train all the ******** time. There are far more effective arguments to be made but the current leaders can't stop saying migration.
Original post by Hydeman
Haha, sorry, I forgot! :colondollar:

I'm an undecided voter (which is how I've voted on this poll), though I'm leaning towards out. :K:


:hugs:

It would have been

:mob:

if you had said "in" instead.

(Now I feel guilty for kinda blackmailing. :tongue:)
Original post by macromicro
Most people move on from when they were 11, but that does help explain your debating skills.


Witty, I like it.

I must like the sentimentality. (It's actually just easier to remember / keep track of.)

(Yet you have failed in every other regard.

Need I remind you of GCSE English Literature? PEE
P is for Point, where you state your opinion or make an assertion
E is for Evidence, where you provide studies and statistics for your claim
E is for Explanation also, where you explain your point in your own words

The last two can overlap a bit, from experience.) :smile:
Reply 47
Original post by Hydeman
Haha, sorry, I forgot! :colondollar:

I'm an undecided voter (which is how I've voted on this poll), though I'm leaning towards out. :K:


I honestly don't understand why anyone would still be undecided. To be undecided is to believe the result is anyones, IN and OUT have equal chance of winning. That could not be further from the truth. Any educated individual knows the result will be IN regardless, there is no chance of OUT winning. You should stop being undecided, go with your heart and leave it at that (there are no regrets that way), don't make it strategic, your vote will literally not change the result.

The fear of changing trumps the fear of the status quo every time, that's human psychology, less risk is associated with it
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Original post by Omen96
Ironically the right have partly lost the referendum already due to their failed strategy. Conservatives and UKIP have turned it into a right wing question. No attempt has been made to accommodate the left wing narrative, one I actually associate with, Tony Benn made a brilliant socialist and left case for leaving. I can see how majority of the left would support the EU and I despise their reasoning but I get how for those on the left who wanted to leave are misrepresented and find no motive in the out campaign. Right wing leaders ride the migration train all the ******** time. There are far more effective arguments to be made but the current leaders can't stop saying migration.


PRSOM.

(I should stop spamming now, in other news.)
Original post by Omen96
I honestly don't understand why anyone would still be undecided. To be undecided is to believe the result is anyones, IN and OUT have equal chance of winning. That could not be further from the truth. Any educated individual knows the result will be IN regardless, there is no chance of OUT winning.


I don't agree that being undecided has anything to do with believing that either camp has the same chance of winning. I know that the odds of a Remain victory are significantly better than that of a Leave one. :tongue:

You should stop being undecided, go with your heart and leave it at that (there are no regrets that way), don't make it strategic, your vote will literally not change the result.


It's a referendum, not an FPTP-based constituency election -- there's no 'strategic voting' possible here. :erm: I'm undecided because there's obvious merit in the arguments of both sides, despite both of them claiming that voting for them will produce a flawless utopia with no consequences in either the short or long term.
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Reply 50
Original post by Hydeman
I don't agree that being undecided has anything to do with believing that either camp has the same chance of winning. I know that the odds of a Remain victory are significantly better than that of a Leave one. :tongue:



It's a referendum, not an FPTP-based constituency election -- there's no 'strategic voting' possible here. :erm: I'm undecided because there's obvious merit in the arguments of both sides, despite both of them claiming that voting for them will produce a flawless utopia with no consequences in either the short or long term.


What do you truly want? Whatever that is, go with it. You stayed true to yourself and if for whatever reason the information from the other camp (IN or OUT depending on your vote) happens to be proved false or way over exaggerated, you can never blame yourself for being mislead by them.

Ask yourself, do you value the EU, do you support its goal for further integration, is it what you want for the future of the U.K.? Ask yourself unbias questions and go with that. I truly want to see this referendum result to see where people hearts are. If they vote IN then I accept people support what the EU is, if not then vice versa
Original post by XcitingStuart
Witty, I like it.

I must like the sentimentality. (It's actually just easier to remember / keep track of.)

(Yet you have failed in every other regard.

Need I remind you of GCSE English Literature? PEE
P is for Point, where you state your opinion or make an assertion
E is for Evidence, where you provide studies and statistics for your claim
E is for Explanation also, where you explain your point in your own words

The last two can overlap a bit, from experience.) :smile:


We need only point to the history of progression, the history of wars and our goals for the future. I have provided reasoning, you have provided nothing more than an ad hominem attack and GCSE regurgitation which you yourself have not followed.

My aim for humanity is to preserve it and progress it. The only option for this is via unity. The demand for a second planet is a very real problem - a problem that cannot be solved by fragmentation. The world is still disorganised and pulling in competing directions - only with continually increasing unity can we realise this common goal.
Original post by Rakas21
Because..

I don't mind which way people vote but i like to hear reasons.


To be honest, I just feel like we don't really know what leaving could do until it happens. I think it's best to stay in until everything is figured out more definitely because once you've left it's all too late. I think people are just going on and on and on about immigration and all of this stuff and yes it's an issue but at the end of the day, it probably won't stop anything.

My point being: we just don't know the impact it could have. As such, I'd vote remain just to be safe. However, I'd rather not vote at all.

Please understand that I have no clear position on this issue. I would vote remain out of uncertainty. I accept that there are strong, some very strong, arguments on both sides.
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Original post by Omen96
Ironically the right have partly lost the referendum already due to their failed strategy. Conservatives and UKIP have turned it into a right wing question. No attempt has been made to accommodate the left wing narrative, one I actually associate with, Tony Benn made a brilliant socialist and left case for leaving. I can see how majority of the left would support the EU and I despise their reasoning but I get how for those on the left who wanted to leave are misrepresented and find no motive in the out campaign. Right wing leaders ride the migration train all the ******** time. There are far more effective arguments to be made but the current leaders can't stop saying migration.


:yes:
Original post by JordanL_
Really glad to see that the indoctrination are winning over common sense and globalism.


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Original post by macromicro

...simpletons who wear Union Jack underwear...

Absolutely lost it here :rofl:
At the time of writing, 71 people have said they aren't going to vote.
Unless you're not old enough to vote, why why why are you not voting?
This is an extremely important matter, spend the next month considering both sides of the argument and vote for what you think is best for our country, it's our future after all! :top:
Original post by Omen96
You are a fool then. That's the way things are heading. EU federalisation is the main goal, we will bring in more nations like turkey and so on, until we become a untied states of Europe. Africa have their own version as do parts of Asia and North America.

Eventually everything will be controlled by a single body. Sovereignty is dying


With respect, I don't think so. Member States are reasserting themselves more strongly than ever since the war, I would say. I think the EU can survive and accommodate this, however.
Original post by JordanL_
Really glad to see that the facts are winning over scaremongering and nationalism.


You pain me.
Original post by Serine Soul
Absolutely lost it here :rofl:


I lost it with your profile pic

burn

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