University tuition fees set to rise again

It's like an education tax on the poor.

You said student numbers would drop, I've pointed out that historical figures show otherwise.



I don't need an argument. I just quoted a fact which threw your entire rant out of the window. But don't worry yourself too much about it because I suspect you're one of the regular trolls around here just trying to get a rise so I'll leave it at that

Oh god the A-Level reforms, those poor sods.

I'm sure we'll get slammed with the fee rise in second year though.

In what other walk of life do you get something for nothing?

"I don't need an argument" oh dear what a joke.

I don't know why you seem to doubt this, a rise in price will lead to a fall in demand. And yes, just because university numbers increased does not mean many people have not been discouraged, all sorts of factors such as increased requirements in the job market for a degree, a rise in the quality of UK universities and more international students all have caused this. Your very "fact" is fundamentally flawed, just because numbers have risen, is it acceptable for those less able to be barred from attending? Should the ones who can go be some of given the largest debts (higher than the US) for students in the world?

You've clearly shown that you are an idiot, and I have better things to do, as entertaining as you might be.

I do have to agree with you in this wholly; we're, on average, the country with the highest tuition fees. It's getting purely ridiculous. £9000 is way too much for anyone to even happily consider, even the rich Bourgeois, who exploit us proletariat lesser beings, if you take a Marxist point of view But on a serious note, you have got an extremely reasonable point. If my university tuition becomes too high, I will NOT in any way succumb to the governmental ideals. Then again...I'll be the one going to university. To study French...and Linguistics. *shies away from all sciences students*



But they wouldn't. I simply said that I don't agree with the ideology that "university should be free". Sure, it should be accessible to everyone, but that's the basis of a student loan. I, myself, have been brought up in a family that went through benefits, and I got a scholarship into a private school. In no way am I saying I'm a special cookie, but I'm just pointing out that it should be simply accessible to all, not free.

is it acceptable for those less able to be barred from attending?

So should people also pay for your friends mortgage because they're desperate

You say that like you were forced into a Chemistry degree against your will.



No, it's a tax on graduates. Why are you entitled to a free degree, at the expense of the people who go straight into work after school?

It's simply due to the lack of options if I do a Bsc there, I'm considering doing a Bsc here then postgraduate in the Netherlands, that way I will have (hopefully) established business links here which I can turn to if all hell breaks loose. Regardless, I intend to go to the open day and find out what kind of links they have to the chemical industry etc.

How exactly is your friend unable to afford paying nothing upfront and nothing in repayments or interest until after she graduates and earns £21k?

Getting a house and an education are 2 completely different things.

You get an education -> Get a job -> Earn money -> pay for your mortgage for a house, or whatever

Education should be free.

Yes. If you're not smart enough for university, you shouldn't go.

If, by "able", you mean financially, it is an established fact that higher tuition fees do not prevent poor people from going to university - if they did, I wouldn't be going. Under the current loans system, there is absolutely no reason why anyone should be unable to go to university.

Why?A loan is a loan doesn't matter if its for education, a house or a car. No one should be paying for your degree, it's your choice to go to university not mine or anyone else. Everyone is able to afford to go to university, don't have the funds then take out a loan.

but why shouldn't it be free?

Getting education from a school is free; why should unis be any different?

Accommodation? Living costs in general? It isn't cheap and sometimes the loan (even the maintenance loan) only covers part of it and adds to the debt. While scholarships and bursaries can be obtained, they are competitive and not widely available, particularly for the people who are slightly over the threshold and therefore don't qualify.

Also, the current loans system adds interest from the first term of university, so what you are paying back once you start earning is way over the £9000 a year that was promised.

Not to mention that nowadays there are a lot of menial jobs that require degrees and do not pay nearly enough to cover the debt and living costs.

It is very strange that you get people going to some of the best universities in the world and obtaining first class degrees that still have to live at home because the SLC are taking out a large portion of what they are earning so they cannot live independently.

By no means should University be paid for by the government and it shouldn't be free either, but I simply do not see how increasing tuition fees would at all be positive for anyone.