Who are more oppressed in modern western society? Men or women?

Ugh..what a snobbish, 'I am better than you' type of response.

Also, having scanned your responses, they are deeply flawed in that you can't base an argument about the whole of society on how many heads/executives are male. Very few people in society are heads or executives.

Did you not read my first sentence? Women weren't allowed in the war. Not allowed e.g couldn't go e.g had no choice.

Just like the men who had no choice but to be drafted in the war. But, the difference was that women actually wanted to help in the war but weren't allowed whereas men had all the rights in the world to go fight, but weren't allowed to say no.

They were both oppressed in some ways, but saying that WW1 or WW2 shows oppression to just one gender is silly because both parties didn't really have a choice in what they did.

Apex Fallacy.

Men get longer prison sentences for the same crimes that a women could do.

This is highly unfair, as gender should not play in to this matter.

I'm sure there were some women who wanted to fight. I'm also sure there were many, many women who were relieved that they could stay at home and help out in a less fatal way.

Yes it is a bit silly to talk about the past when considering the present but then feminists love to talk about how opressed women were in the past while even then they their own advantages.

My feeling is that modern feminism has gone way beyond being reasonable. Feminists keep quiet about all the areas they do have advantages and yet rant and rave louder than anyone if they suspect they may be disadvantaged at all based on their gender. The irony is that deep down I think many women these days would have also been happier 50 years ago where women could just be women and men could be men. How many times have I heard women complain that men today aren't like they used to be... wonder who'a fault that is.

actly. Just think of all those poor women who were forced to fight and die in the trenches during WW1, whilst all the men were allowed to stay at home and raise their families and...... oh wait.

Yes fighting against who ? Oh yes other MEN. Men are violent evil egomaniac creatures that start wars.

Yes fighting against who ? Oh yes other MEN. Men are violent evil egomaniac creatures that start wars.

Damn those awful men putting their lives on the line and protecting their women. Work in shops and factories or dodge bullets for as long as you can stay alive...

Damn those awful women who were burned at the stake as witches stoned to death in afghanistan denied education not being able to vote own property enter legal contracts start their own businesses choose other jobs than nuns nurses teachers legally denied jobs for being pregnant legally deemed the rightful P R O P E R T Y of men not being able to go to university not being legally able to become head of state not being able to enter bars walk alone in public without a man present not being legally ABLE (and that's a... good thing??? somehow???) to serve in military choose their own religion receive academic scholarships use birth control say yes to sex say no to sex be able to wear what they want get tattoos get abortions choose whether they want children or not march in protest choose where they live have rape be illegal despite whether its your husband or not as late as 1990 in ireland have sexual harassment be illegal and socially unacceptable be able to become ceos lawyers doctors get divorces continue working when they're married AND SO ON AND SO ON.

i'm not a feminist, but don't you dare bring up history as an example as to why "men are oppressed". you're embarrassing yourself.
oh, and furthermore, neither sex is oppressed. both face cultural and social gender inequality, but if you seriously believe that men OR women for that matter face genuine oppression similarly to minorities in the united states, then you have absolutely no idea what oppression looks like.

I'm sure there were some women who wanted to fight. I'm also sure there were many, many women who were relieved that they could stay at home and help out in a less fatal way.

Yes it is a bit silly to talk about the past when considering the present but then feminists love to talk about how oppressed women were in the past while even then they their own advantages.

My feeling is that modern feminism has gone way beyond being reasonable. Feminists keep quiet about all the areas they do have advantages and yet rant and rave louder than anyone if they suspect they may be disadvantaged at all based on their gender. The irony is that deep down I think many women these days would have also been happier 50 years ago where women could just be women and men could be men. How many times have I heard women complain that men today aren't like they used to be... wonder who'a fault that is.

Ha! And how many times have I heard men say "go back to the kitchen and make me a sandwich"

I'm pretty sure that the OP said WESTERN SOCIETY.
Also, why are you talking about the 1990s. You said don't bring up history but you have done it yourself!

i'm bringing up history because he brought up history as an example as to why men are oppressed. i explained that that is absolutely not the case and history is a weak if not non-existant argument, because of the fact that women have been continually oppressed for hundreds and hundreds of years.
all of this has happened in western societies and still goes on in many parts of the world.

Yes fighting against who ? Oh yes other MEN. Men are violent evil egomaniac creatures that start wars.

Yes fighting against who ? Oh yes other MEN. Men are violent evil egomaniac creatures that start wars.

Probably not many, but you say you do because you don't want to lose the argument.

What nonsense. Women are equally as likely to start wars:

-Helen of Troy: Her whole kidnapping caused the Trojan War.