Is a pedophile who doesn't act on their urges evil in your opinion.
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Original post by Asuna Yuuki
No. It's a psychiatric disorder, out of the person's control. They are most certainly not evil if they don't act on their attractions.
Just like not every psychopath is a serial killer, not every person with a paedophilic disorder is a molester.
Just like not every psychopath is a serial killer, not every person with a paedophilic disorder is a molester.
Is homosexuality a psychiatric disorder?
Original post by Screwsocietyy
There will be a lot people who are sexually attracted to children but they will never act on it and harm a child. If you knew someone thought this way would you see them as a monster?
No, I'd consider them to be especially noble.
Original post by Screwsocietyy
There will be a lot people who are sexually attracted to children but they will never act on it and harm a child. If you knew someone thought this way would you see them as a monster?
No, as long as they didn't act on their sexual thoughts I have no business judging them as long as they aren't also violating any UK laws (e.g: having child porn on their computer)
It's a similar mental thing to being gay, you don't choose to like men but that's just how you are really whether you like it or not. It's the same with pedophiles, they don't choose to find children attractive (disgusting i know) but it's just how they are. Without committing any offences they should be offered help but acting on it is disgusting and should result in extreme punishment! 
Original post by XiuXiu
You didn't sound harsh, and you shouldn't worry about sounding harsh anyway. I realise that my opinions on this could potentially come off as distasteful.
"Are you proposing anything at all?"
No, not really. All I am saying, really, is that alienation and repression of them (even going as far as creating legislation against the drawing of children, which is stupid for many common sense reasons) does not do anything but make the problem worse. Everybody is so spooked by the pedo-fear that they will witch-hunt for them, and this knee-jerk response means that it is regrettably difficult for potential offenders are unable to get help and support. Even asking for help online will probably get you a nice spot on the FBI watchlist.
As far as 'solutions' go, there aren't and probably will never be any complete ones. We can get closer though. I believe that the massive technological advances in simulation and virtual reality will create a massive increase in the capabilities of dating simulators (I'm not being a pervert, there is massive money in this industry. which will be taken advantage of in the next few years. Stop giving me those weird looks, guys). In this industry, I see no reason why a realistic child-dating simulator wouldn't exist, considering the market potential. However sick this may sound, remember that in this scenario, kids aren't getting abused and manipulated (which is why child pornography is so disgusting and illegal in the first place), and I think that it would also probably decrease the amount of child abuse based purely on sexual urges. Hypothetical though obviously.
"Are you proposing anything at all?"
No, not really. All I am saying, really, is that alienation and repression of them (even going as far as creating legislation against the drawing of children, which is stupid for many common sense reasons) does not do anything but make the problem worse. Everybody is so spooked by the pedo-fear that they will witch-hunt for them, and this knee-jerk response means that it is regrettably difficult for potential offenders are unable to get help and support. Even asking for help online will probably get you a nice spot on the FBI watchlist.
As far as 'solutions' go, there aren't and probably will never be any complete ones. We can get closer though. I believe that the massive technological advances in simulation and virtual reality will create a massive increase in the capabilities of dating simulators (I'm not being a pervert, there is massive money in this industry. which will be taken advantage of in the next few years. Stop giving me those weird looks, guys). In this industry, I see no reason why a realistic child-dating simulator wouldn't exist, considering the market potential. However sick this may sound, remember that in this scenario, kids aren't getting abused and manipulated (which is why child pornography is so disgusting and illegal in the first place), and I think that it would also probably decrease the amount of child abuse based purely on sexual urges. Hypothetical though obviously.
I like the way you think
A dating stimulation would be creepy and strange to me but since I wouldn't be using it, it couldn't do any harm to anyone since they're not real. When it comes down to child porn between the idea of child dating stimulation, I rather have more child dating stimulation in existence than child porn. Pictures of children drawn sexually is illegal? I would have never gotten that impression since it is perfectly legal to read shouta manga (male children with older men). At least here in the USA.
To me, child dating stimulation does not sound all that bad or horrible. In comparison to weird horror games I seen it doesn't really spook me out. Weird, and taboo? Very. I think its naive to expect pedophiles not to do things to "get off". If you don't give them one outlet for their desires they'll find other ways. I think that's a great idea. I read an article about a pedophile who brought a child sex doll off the black market. Now, that's creepy.
Original post by harry998
It's a similar mental thing to being gay, you don't choose to like men but that's just how you are really whether you like it or not. It's the same with pedophiles, they don't choose to find children attractive (disgusting i know) but it's just how they are. Without committing any offences they should be offered help but acting on it is disgusting and should result in extreme punishment!
Gay = attraction to same sex
Child =/= sex
Sex = male or female
11 year or below =/= sex
Pedophile = attraction to children and can be bi, straight or gay
That's how I tell the difference between the two.
Its similar in no choice,(edited 7 years ago)
Original post by RayApparently
No, I'd consider them to be especially noble.
I agree, to defy your own a sexual orientation for your whole life is a very admirable thing to do.
I think Paedophiles are dangerous people and we should do everything in our power to protect children from them. However I also think that it's a psychological problem as well as a criminal one and we should do more to help Paedophiles through things like psychiatric treatments instead of lynching them and locking them up for life.
Original post by SmileyVibe
I like the way you think A dating stimulation would be creepy and strange to me but since I wouldn't be using it, it couldn't do any harm to anyone since they're not real. When it comes down to child porn between the idea of child dating stimulation, I rather have more child dating stimulation in existence than child porn.
Pictures of children drawn sexually is illegal? I would have never gotten that impression since it is perfectly legal to read shouta manga (male children with older men). At least here in the USA.
To me, child dating stimulation does not sound all that bad or horrible. In comparison to weird horror games I seen it doesn't really spook me out. Weird, and taboo? Very. I think its naive to expect pedophiles not to do things to "get off". If you don't give them one outlet for their desires they'll find other ways. I think that's a great idea. I read an article about a pedophile who brought a child sex doll off the black market. Now, that's creepy.
A dating stimulation would be creepy and strange to me but since I wouldn't be using it, it couldn't do any harm to anyone since they're not real. When it comes down to child porn between the idea of child dating stimulation, I rather have more child dating stimulation in existence than child porn. Pictures of children drawn sexually is illegal? I would have never gotten that impression since it is perfectly legal to read shouta manga (male children with older men). At least here in the USA.
To me, child dating stimulation does not sound all that bad or horrible. In comparison to weird horror games I seen it doesn't really spook me out. Weird, and taboo? Very. I think its naive to expect pedophiles not to do things to "get off". If you don't give them one outlet for their desires they'll find other ways. I think that's a great idea. I read an article about a pedophile who brought a child sex doll off the black market. Now, that's creepy.
hey, nice to see people thinking about this maturely. As insanely creepy as it is, it's not like things this taboo become mainstream hits; you'd have to actively be looking for them to find them.
"Pictures of children drawn sexually is illegal?"
Google search brings up "the Coroners and Justice Act of April 2009 (c. 2) created a new offence in England and Wales and Northern Ireland of possession of a prohibited image of a child. This act makes cartoon pornography depicting minors illegal in the UK"
No clue if it's enforced because it doesn't affect me. Even if it isnt, I still think it's dumb legislation for a number of reasons:
1. Freedom of artistic expression
2. Nobody is harmed in production of it
3. Cartoons and drawings don't have an ages and cant be abused ffs. How can an imaginary character have an age? If a hentai artist drew somebody with features of somebody clearly of age and said "she's actually 10", would they in trouble with this law for it?
Honestly it doesn't even seem like an ill-informed attempt to help; more of a "I don't like this thing, so nobody can" type thing.
First of all either OP is a filthy troll or the OP has a few screws loose when it comes to his logic.
Anyone who is a paedophile but has not acted on their desires need our help in order to recover, not be put down. May i remind you that whilst desires such as homosexuality have only recently be legitimised by governments (whilst still being around since the dawn of mankind), desires such as paedohpillia have only (relatively-speaing) recently been criminalised when you consider for how many hundreds if not thousands of years it was around for before then.
As a result many peoples psyche probably hasn't had much time to change and evolve, as a result it is vital we give them the most support we can so they can lead a fufilling life free of guilt or shame, and free in the knowledge that we are helping to prevent and reduce the chances of child abuse.
I hope the above point makes sense in what i'm trying to say, if it doesn't then please let me know.
Best regards
Francis.
PS: So sick of people just labelling all paedophiles 'monsters'. Those kind of assumptions are from the same barbaric pool of opinions that caused national heroes like Turing to commit suicide, i'm sure people were calling him a 'monster' too. Just for being gay.
Anyone who is a paedophile but has not acted on their desires need our help in order to recover, not be put down. May i remind you that whilst desires such as homosexuality have only recently be legitimised by governments (whilst still being around since the dawn of mankind), desires such as paedohpillia have only (relatively-speaing) recently been criminalised when you consider for how many hundreds if not thousands of years it was around for before then.
As a result many peoples psyche probably hasn't had much time to change and evolve, as a result it is vital we give them the most support we can so they can lead a fufilling life free of guilt or shame, and free in the knowledge that we are helping to prevent and reduce the chances of child abuse.
I hope the above point makes sense in what i'm trying to say, if it doesn't then please let me know.
Best regards
Francis.
PS: So sick of people just labelling all paedophiles 'monsters'. Those kind of assumptions are from the same barbaric pool of opinions that caused national heroes like Turing to commit suicide, i'm sure people were calling him a 'monster' too. Just for being gay.
(edited 7 years ago)
Original post by RivalPlayer
By classifying pedophilic thoughts as a mental illness we're putting it on the path to normalization.
The problem is, that for several hundred if not thousand years it WAS seen as a normal thing, i'd say only in the last 500 years or less have we made a concious effort to pick up on it.
I think it's important we look at the historical connotations surrounding this condition. Frankly for a long time it was seen as 'normal', damn the Ancient Greeks used to be the worst.
So what we're seeing is essentially an opposite thing to what happened in regards to legislating for homosexuality. Homosexuality for a longtime was outlawed but only recently been legitimised.
Padeophillia for a longtime was legitimised but only (relatively) recently been outlawed in regards to how long it had been 'the norm' in many places. So unlike homosexuality where people are now more-willing to come out of the closet, threads such as this talkling about whether or not paedophiles (regardless-of-whether they have acted on anything-or-not) are 'evil' will do nothing apart from driving padeophillic individuals back into the shadows.
Essentially there's some double-standards when it comes to how we treat sexuality it seems.
I hope in the future some scientist far-smarter than me can make some sort of correlation between the amount of time something is a habit and how deeply it becomes engrained in the psyche. The same way we inherit our father's and mother's mannerisms.
Don't mistake me, i am not and will never justify paedophillic behaviour, because i find those people carrying out such things to be very depraved human beings.
However i do believe in providing the necessary support for men and women whom are sufferers of such thoughts but do not act on them. Helping them is not 'normalizing' it, it is helping us reduce the chances for someone to damage children.
For a long time we've held the same views towards paedophillia that people USED to hold on homosexuality, and both of those views are naive and ignore the full-scale/facts of the problem. We could push these people further away or we could use this time as an opportunity to provide the right support for those who have these thoughts but have not yet acted on them.
In Germany they have the kind of system i'm talking about already. There's no naming-shaming or any 'potential padeohpile' list on public boards, instead it is done in confidence with the support of specalists.
Sorry for the super-long post, but i do believe that this is a super-important topic. And only more children and adults are going to get hurt the longer our collective governments and mental health services fail to pick an approach that actively encourages paedophiles to come forward and speak to them.
Best regards
Francis.
(edited 7 years ago)
Original post by XiuXiu
hey, nice to see people thinking about this maturely. As insanely creepy as it is, it's not like things this taboo become mainstream hits; you'd have to actively be looking for them to find them.
"Pictures of children drawn sexually is illegal?"
Google search brings up "the Coroners and Justice Act of April 2009 (c. 2) created a new offence in England and Wales and Northern Ireland of possession of a prohibited image of a child. This act makes cartoon pornography depicting minors illegal in the UK"
No clue if it's enforced because it doesn't affect me. Even if it isnt, I still think it's dumb legislation for a number of reasons:
1. Freedom of artistic expression
2. Nobody is harmed in production of it
3. Cartoons and drawings don't have an ages and cant be abused ffs. How can an imaginary character have an age? If a hentai artist drew somebody with features of somebody clearly of age and said "she's actually 10", would they in trouble with this law for it?
Honestly it doesn't even seem like an ill-informed attempt to help; more of a "I don't like this thing, so nobody can" type thing.
"Pictures of children drawn sexually is illegal?"
Google search brings up "the Coroners and Justice Act of April 2009 (c. 2) created a new offence in England and Wales and Northern Ireland of possession of a prohibited image of a child. This act makes cartoon pornography depicting minors illegal in the UK"
No clue if it's enforced because it doesn't affect me. Even if it isnt, I still think it's dumb legislation for a number of reasons:
1. Freedom of artistic expression
2. Nobody is harmed in production of it
3. Cartoons and drawings don't have an ages and cant be abused ffs. How can an imaginary character have an age? If a hentai artist drew somebody with features of somebody clearly of age and said "she's actually 10", would they in trouble with this law for it?
Honestly it doesn't even seem like an ill-informed attempt to help; more of a "I don't like this thing, so nobody can" type thing.
The funny thing about manga is appearances are deceiving. Wow, I didn't know that exist. What if its hand drawn?
As long as there are no real children, its isn't harmful to anyone.
I viewed this differently once I considered the possibility that paedophilic feelings may not be a choice - if someone chooses not to act on those feelings, would that not suggest just that? I've also read statements from non-offending paedophiles who say the way they feel disgusts them and they'd do anything to change it.
So no, I don't think non-offending paedophiles are monsters. If they choose to act on those feelings, then I will pass judgement. Until then, no.
Also, isolating someone who is experiencing these feelings is only going to make them more likely to act upon them. If we provide an environment where people feeling like this can go without fearing persecution, we could prevent acts they may have committed. A lot of people tend to focus too much on punishment and not enough on prevention - you can't undo what will have happened to a child, no matter what you do you'll never be able to relieve them of that trauma, but you can prevent it.
Germany has the right idea, in my opinion.
So no, I don't think non-offending paedophiles are monsters. If they choose to act on those feelings, then I will pass judgement. Until then, no.
Also, isolating someone who is experiencing these feelings is only going to make them more likely to act upon them. If we provide an environment where people feeling like this can go without fearing persecution, we could prevent acts they may have committed. A lot of people tend to focus too much on punishment and not enough on prevention - you can't undo what will have happened to a child, no matter what you do you'll never be able to relieve them of that trauma, but you can prevent it.
Germany has the right idea, in my opinion.
(edited 7 years ago)
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