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Just one thing. Why do David Cameron, Jeremy Corbyn, Nick Clegg, Gordon Brown, Barack Obama, Angela Merkel, Shinzo Abe, Xi Jinping, Hollande, heck even Alan Sugar and many businessmen without political bias, almost all respected banks etc... all warn against a 'Brexit'?

Are they inexperienced? Are they stupid? Or both?

Surely it must say something that one of the only successful politician who supports a Brexit is Nigel Farage? And yes, I don't believe Boris Johnson, IDS or Gove passionately support a Brexit for any other reason than to influence leadership change after David Cameron leaves.

You can argue how it makes us safer, gives us sovereignty, restricts migration, bla bla bla, but it seems that some of the most experienced politicians worldwide see that the consequences outweigh the benefits. The EU is far from ideal, but the attitude isn't to jump ship and hope we can swim ashore, we should help keep it afloat. If we don't, other countries will lose hope and maybe even demand their own special privileges and guess which aggressive Russian president would take advantage of it?
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You actually think politicians care about people?


And btw how much did David C pay you to say this? :tongue:
Original post by MrsSheldonCooper
You actually think politicians care about people?


And btw how much did David C pay you to say this? :tongue:


I'm saying this off my own accord entirely, and yes, they care about people. I agree that I find some like David Cameron of them less caring, but come on, Merkel, Obama, Corbyn, etc, and the politically unbiased people who have called for remaining - they do care.

Explain to me why all of these people are wrong on the matter
Original post by sainsburys wraps
I'm saying this off my own accord entirely, and yes, they care about people. I agree that I find some like David Cameron of them less caring, but come on, Merkel, Obama, Corbyn, etc, and the politically unbiased people who have called for remaining - they do care.

Explain to me why all of these people are wrong on the matter


Merkel doesn't care dude. If she did she wouldn't have allowed unchecked immigration into Germany.

As for David C, did you see the debate with him yesterday? He was literally waffling at everything.
The title of this thread gave me an idea: If they make a sequel to that Brexit movie it needs to be called 'The Three Brexiteers'
Because they're all saying this for their own gain; Merkel has RUINED Germany through uncontrolled immigration - she can't just admit she's wrong!

They also contradict themselves, for instance:

β€œBritain is an amazing country. We’ve got the fifth biggest economy in the world. We’re a top ten manufacturer. We’ve got incredibly strong financial services. The world wants to come and do business here.
Look at the record of inward investment. Look at the leaders beating the path to our door to come and see what’s happening with this great country’s economy.
The argument isn’t whether Britain could survive outside the EU.
Of course it could.”

DAVID CAMERON – November 2015

Don't trust them


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Original post by MrsSheldonCooper
Merkel doesn't care dude. If she did she wouldn't have allowed unchecked immigration into Germany.

As for David C, did you see the debate with him yesterday? He was literally waffling at everything.


She actively risked her popularity to help sort out the migration crisis, she does care about people. Not caring about some people in her own country =/= not caring about people.

And yeah I don't like David Cameron, but the focus of that debate was his 'scaremongering' tactics and all that rather than the actual issue - which is whether leaving is good or not.
Original post by sainsburys wraps
She actively risked her popularity to help sort out the migration crisis, she does care about people. Not caring about some people in her own country =/= not caring about people.

And yeah I don't like David Cameron, but the focus of that debate was his 'scaremongering' tactics and all that rather than the actual issue - which is whether leaving is good or not.


Some people? The population of Germany is much bigger than the number they took in. She's the chancellor of Germany isn't she? Germans should come first.

And he failed to address issues properly. Indicating he literally has no clue at all about what he's saying.
Original post by vault111
Because they're all saying this for their own gain; Merkel has RUINED Germany through uncontrolled immigration - she can't just admit she's wrong!

They also contradict themselves, for instance:

β€œBritain is an amazing country. We’ve got the fifth biggest economy in the world. We’re a top ten manufacturer. We’ve got incredibly strong financial services. The world wants to come and do business here.
Look at the record of inward investment. Look at the leaders beating the path to our door to come and see what’s happening with this great country’s economy.
The argument isn’t whether Britain could survive outside the EU.
Of course it could.”

DAVID CAMERON – November 2015

Don't trust them


Posted from TSR Mobile


So Obama who has nothing to lose anymore, Corbyn who evidently doesn't care about annoying his labour followers, Merkel who let in all the refugees, Alan Sugar who has little political bias, all of these people, and the Japanese president, and Xijinping, they all have some kind of agenda?

Convince me please, they are all experienced people who are offering their opinion, they don't have some kind of tinfoil hat globalist new world order agenda buddy.
Original post by MrsSheldonCooper
Some people? The population of Germany is much bigger than the number they took in. She's the chancellor of Germany isn't she? Germans should come first.

And he failed to address issues properly. Indicating he literally has no clue at all about what he's saying.


Germany is one of the best countries in the modern world, Merkel knows this and she knows that our highly developed nations can take the higher toll when it comes to refugees. She went out of her way and risked her popularity to save lives, and you actually tell me she doesn't care about people? And no, developed countries like germany should look out to help mitigate massive humanitarian crises whenever possible. in reality, the immigrants aren't going to affect german lifestyle at all, you can link me some stupid daily mail article about cologne '1000-strong rape gangs' but we both know its BS, its the right-wing media focusing on the tiny, separate sexual assaults and making it seem like these migrants are all bad when in fact its less than 1% of them causing the issues.

And yeah he failed to address some things, but he's just one piece of the puzzle - and possibly the most crooked piece of it. But someone flipflopping in a debate doesn't mean the issue is wrong to be argued against, he has his own agenda to an extent because of the small rebellion in the tory party.
Original post by sainsburys wraps
Just one thing. Why do David Cameron, Jeremy Corbyn, Nick Clegg, Gordon Brown, Barack Obama, Angela Merkel, Shinzo Abe, Xi Jinping, Hollande, heck even Alan Sugar and many businessmen without political bias



Are you dumb?
Original post by The Roast
Are you dumb?


You could argue properly instead of posting a stupid gif, why didn't you elect to follow that path?
Original post by vault111
Because they're all saying this for their own gain; Merkel has RUINED Germany through uncontrolled immigration - she can't just admit she's wrong!

They also contradict themselves, for instance:

β€œBritain is an amazing country. We’ve got the fifth biggest economy in the world. We’re a top ten manufacturer. We’ve got incredibly strong financial services. The world wants to come and do business here.
Look at the record of inward investment. Look at the leaders beating the path to our door to come and see what’s happening with this great country’s economy.
The argument isn’t whether Britain could survive outside the EU.
Of course it could.”

DAVID CAMERON – November 2015

Don't trust them


Survive? Of course it will.

Thrive and develop as fast as it could? Definitely not in the short to medium term and nobody knows in the long term.
Original post by sainsburys wraps
You could argue properly instead of posting a stupid gif, why didn't you elect to follow that path?


Because that particular statement struck me as dumb(?).
Original post by The Roast
Because that particular statement struck me as dumb(?).


Its dumb to ask why experienced people are apparently not worth listening to by the majority of Brexiters?
Original post by sainsburys wraps
Germany is one of the best countries in the modern world, Merkel knows this and she knows that our highly developed nations can take the higher toll when it comes to refugees. She went out of her way and risked her popularity to save lives, and you actually tell me she doesn't care about people? And no, developed countries like germany should look out to help mitigate massive humanitarian crises whenever possible. in reality, the immigrants aren't going to affect german lifestyle at all, you can link me some stupid daily mail article about cologne '1000-strong rape gangs' but we both know its BS, its the right-wing media focusing on the tiny, separate sexual assaults and making it seem like these migrants are all bad when in fact its less than 1% of them causing the issues.

And yeah he failed to address some things, but he's just one piece of the puzzle - and possibly the most crooked piece of it. But someone flipflopping in a debate doesn't mean the issue is wrong to be argued against, he has his own agenda to an extent because of the small rebellion in the tory party.


Refugees? Oh you poor thing please read up on where some of these people come from. You have Pakistanis and Afghans as well as Syrians.

Hahahahaha tell that to the pools in Germany who have made women only swimming sessions because of sexual assaults. Nobody said all migrants were bad. Have you read that ISIS have openly said that there are jihadis posing as refugees and are planning to carry out attacks? One member of some terror attack in Paris posed as a refugee. So, letting millions in without any check whatsoever has a dangerous side.

I don't know if you realised but the BBC, the Independant,Reuters and the Guardian reported the sexual assaults in Germany as well. Or is that also BS?
Original post by MrsSheldonCooper
Refugees? Oh you poor thing please read up on where some of these people come from. You have Pakistanis and Afghans as well as Syrians.

Hahahahaha tell that to the pools in Germany who have made women only swimming sessions because of sexual assaults. Nobody said all migrants were bad. Have you read that ISIS have openly said that there are jihadis posing as refugees and are planning to carry out attacks? One member of some terror attack in Paris posed as a refugee. So, letting millions in without any check whatsoever has a dangerous side.

I don't know if you realised but the BBC, the Independant,Reuters and the Guardian reported the sexual assaults in Germany as well. Or is that also BS?


Congratulations you've successfully derailed this argument. This is about a Brexit and not the refugee crisis, go and inflict your opinions about that on the relevant threat. Focus on the bigger picture instead of taking one name I mentioned and bringing up an entirely different topic. Even if Merkel doesn't care about German people, she's experienced, she's an active participator in the world stage - and why does this make her opinion not worth listening to? Respond to that or go back to connor please
Original post by MrsSheldonCooper
Merkel doesn't care dude. If she did she wouldn't have allowed unchecked immigration into Germany.

As for David C, did you see the debate with him yesterday? He was literally waffling at everything.


We're not going to achieve a galaxy wide population without socialism. And progressing towards that means getting Europe to work properly and democratically and then the UN and then other stuff.

The EU needs to change, but imagine if "Davey C" had the ability to mess about with workers' rights and data protection, which they are actually already trying to destroy along with not going along with the Paris summit environmental target stuff.

I think we should stay and improve the EU.
Original post by sainsburys wraps
Its dumb to ask why experienced people are apparently not worth listening to by the majority of Brexiters?


No, it's dumb to call them politically impartial - they're not.

The reason why so many major companies, banks, businessmen and politicians want to remain in the EU is because of its financial benefits.

Small businesses and the fishing industry in particular suffer so much at the hands of the EU and its laws.
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Original post by The Roast
No, it's dumb to call them politically impartial - they're not.


I didn't do that but whatever

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