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EU FALLING APART: Now HOLLAND wants its own referendum to follow historic Brexit vote

A whopping 88 per cent of people polled by a top Dutch newspaper said they would be in favour of an in/out vote along British lines.

They have been inspired by possibility of Britain quitting the bloc on June 23 – and hope 'Nexit' will follow Brexit.

The survey, carried out by De Telegraaf, will spark fears among Brussels chiefs that the bloc is on the verge of falling apart.

Harry van Bommel, MP for Holland's Socialist Party, told Express.co.uk: "If Britain leaves, that will give other countries courage.

"So now debate is beginning in the Netherlands about having a referendum on EU membership.

Read More:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/677994/EU-European-Union-referendum-Holland-Netherlands-Brexit-Nexit

Reply 1

Yua

14

brexit sounds like a kettle manufacturer

Reply 2

WustacheMax

The EU is falling apart as we speak, regardless of whether the UK leaves or not. It's a failure of a system.

Reply 3

Daniel9998

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Original post by WustacheMax

The EU is falling apart as we speak, regardless of whether the UK leaves or not. It's a failure of a system.

its not really though is it.

Reply 4

similarBlank

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Original post by Daniel9998

its not really though is it.

It's quite a common view that this referendum result dosn't matter in the long term of the EU, due to the thoery that the collapse of the EU is inevitable. With the chaos caused by the EU and the growing rise of Euroscepticism, I don't see why it's not really.

Reply 5

Daniel9998

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Original post by similarBlank

It's quite a common view that this referendum result dosn't matter in the long term of the EU, due to the thoery that the collapse of the EU is inevitable. With the chaos caused by the EU and the growing rise of Euroscepticism, I don't see why it's not really.

lol where on earth did that theory come from

Reply 6

AverageMan

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Original post by Daniel9998

lol where on earth did that theory come from

In the 70's Edward Heath said that he would have taken us into the Common Market even if the vote went against him = so yes the vote of the people is not considered binding.

Reply 7

nulli tertius

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Original post by AverageMan

In the 70's Edward Heath said that he would have taken us into the Common Market even if the vote went against him = so yes the vote of the people is not considered binding.

Could Ted Heath predict the future then?

We entered the EU on 1st January 1973, negotiations having been underway since 1970, Parliament voting to join in October 1971 and the Accession Treaty having been signed in January 1972.

Heath lost the February 1974 election. Harold Wilson held a referendum in June 1975, by which time Heath had also been replaced as Conservative leader by Thatcher.

So you are saying Heath in 1971 was predicting events 4 years into the future.

Did he also predict that West Ham would win the 1975 Cup Final?

Reply 8

Johnny English

14

The indigenous majority in Europe are showing their anger towards their respective governments efforts to force more immigrants through their borders against the will of the majority of people . We've seen protests across the whole continent and open anger . One thing has to change to prevent Europe from falling apart ...the end of African and far eastern immigration because if it does continue then the likely effect of all this is many referendums across all member States. Countries like Poland Holland Hungary Sweden and several others will not continue to support their governments stance and this is already starting to show . It's simply a matter of time before the cracks appear. Britain is once more leading the way to maintaining certain standards that have gradually been eroded away . The British people have had enough . The time for change is now .

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Reply 9

DrMikeHuntHertz

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It's like Titanic and the remainers are trying to stop people getting in the lifeboats.

Reply 10

ANatsci

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Original post by WhiteMan16

A whopping 88 per cent of people polled by a top Dutch newspaper said they would be in favour of an in/out vote along British lines.

They have been inspired by possibility of Britain quitting the bloc on June 23 – and hope 'Nexit' will follow Brexit.

The survey, carried out by De Telegraaf, will spark fears among Brussels chiefs that the bloc is on the verge of falling apart.

Harry van Bommel, MP for Holland's Socialist Party, told Express.co.uk: "If Britain leaves, that will give other countries courage.

"So now debate is beginning in the Netherlands about having a referendum on EU membership.

Read More:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/677994/EU-European-Union-referendum-Holland-Netherlands-Brexit-Nexit

I'm not sure this is completely accurate: the telegraaf is known to be a gossip newspaper (a bit like the sun in the UK) so the results would be influenced by its audience. Besides, although a couple political parties in the Netherlands would like the EU to be less influential (at least not a superstate), only one wants a nexit, the PVV, which got only 13.06% of votes in the 2017 national elections.

Reply 11

fallen_acorns

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Original post by Annamies

I'm not sure this is completely accurate: the telegraaf is known to be a gossip newspaper (a bit like the sun in the UK) so the results would be influenced by its audience. Besides, although a couple political parties in the Netherlands would like the EU to be less influential (at least not a superstate), only one wants a nexit, the PVV, which got only 13.06% of votes in the 2017 national elections.

to be fair UKIP only recieved 12.6% in the election before the referendum, despite 52% of people going on to vote for leave.

Reply 12

Burton Bridge

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All the more reason to kick our politicians into actually doing somthing to honor the will of the people, instead of trying to ignore them.

Reply 13

QE2

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Original post by Burton Bridge

All the more reason to kick our politicians into actually doing somthing to honor the will of the people, instead of trying to ignore them.

Which people are you referring to? The 37% of the electorate who voted Leave? What about the other 63%? Who honours their will? Why are they being ignored?

And what about the thousands of new voters eligible, and the thousands of elderly voters who have died since 2016? (Over 60% of 18-24s voted Remain while over 60% of over 65s voted Leave). What about them? They are the ones who will be affected by Brexit long term, not some old, dead xenophobes and racists.

Reply 14

Burton Bridge

15

Im talking about the majority of the country whom voted for leave, the people who voted to leave on the understanding that this would be end the CU for us.

It's no use quoting silly 'if's' and 'and's' what if the neighbours cat decides to vote remain :biggrin:

these silly assumptions are baseless and without fact. In not sure where you get 37% from? I think you are confused with whom voted for the Conservative party, they won 37% of the vote, remain only 48%.

At least you have not showed yourself up to be a prejudiced bigoted person, after you have messed up your figures you then label large groups of people whom you don't know some old, dead xenophobes and racists.

Nice job, your point is completely devalued

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Reply 15

Drewski

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Original post by Burton Bridge

Im talking about the majority of the country whom voted for leave

If you say majority of the electorate, you'd be right.

But it's fact that the majority of the country did not vote for leave.

If you're going to be an arse on the internet, at least get the details right.

Reply 16

Johnny English

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Original post by QE2

Which people are you referring to? The 37% of the electorate who voted Leave? What about the other 63%? Who honours their will? Why are they being ignored?

And what about the thousands of new voters eligible, and the thousands of elderly voters who have died since 2016? (Over 60% of 18-24s voted Remain while over 60% of over 65s voted Leave). What about them? They are the ones who will be affected by Brexit long term, not some old, dead xenophobes and racists.

The majority of voters voted to leave ...that's the important bit. The other 63% either didn't bother , couldn't be arsed or were inelligible and therefore irrelevant . As for those who died ...well I suppose we could have a whip round to dig a few up to see if they've changed their minds but I'm not sure how productive that would be . You also seem to forget how unbelievably popular Xenophobia and racism was during the period of 1939-1945 and many would argue that in order to protect our borders against today's terrorist threat we should be a bit more proactive and less naive . Im not suggesting we all become the KKK but a bit more protectionist towards the common values we once held so proud . Making suggestive remarks about vast swathes of brexiteers and their motives only proves one thing ....the divisive and pathetic scaremongering argument is pretty nasty and desperate. We need to regain control over our country and its borders and not allow it to become over run with economic and illegal migrants .

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Reply 17

Burton Bridge

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Original post by Drewski

If you say majority of the electorate, you'd be right.

But it's fact that the majority of the country did not vote for leave.

If you're going to be an arse on the internet, at least get the details right.

The electorate means all the people in a country or area who are entitled to vote in an election. Have you got confused as well?

That depends on which country you speak of? Please explain what your point is?

Btw is being an arse on the internet not liking prejudiced comments? Do you condone prejudiced behaviour?

(edited 5 years ago)

Reply 18

fallen_acorns

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Original post by QE2

Which people are you referring to? The 37% of the electorate who voted Leave? What about the other 63%? Who honours their will? Why are they being ignored?

And what about the thousands of new voters eligible, and the thousands of elderly voters who have died since 2016? (Over 60% of 18-24s voted Remain while over 60% of over 65s voted Leave). What about them? They are the ones who will be affected by Brexit long term, not some old, dead xenophobes and racists.

your arguments don't hold up well.

The first part is a huge deception based on the manipulation of statistics. You could make the same poor argument about any election in recent times.

For example - Labours 1997 landslide win.. one of the biggest and most decisive victories in recent memory. which was one with the support of only........ 30.8% of the total possible electorate. shock. We live in a political system that only counts your opinion.. if you vote.

What do we know? 52% of those who voted, voted to leave. 48% voted to remain. How would those who didn't vote, have voted? We will never know.. but you can't just add them into the other category without being incredibly dishonest.

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Your second paragraph, also leaves out a crucial point of information. Yes more young people voted to remain, more old people voted to leave... it seems so simple that after 2 years, people dying + people coming of age, would mean its a simple remain win! right?

Except that you ignore the middle group. Its not just young people coming of age, and old people dying.. its the whole voting block aging two years. Opinions are far from static throughout our voting life, and the shift towards conservative ideals with age has been clearly documented. What you actually have is three movements, not just the two you mention.

You have:

Young people coming of age
Those already of voting age gradually shifting in a more conservative (in this case brexit) manner
The very old dying.

Were it as simple as only 2 years of old people dying and young people becoming 18, being enough to change the political landscape drastically.. we would have noticed it years ago. In reality, its a fantasy.

Your last sentence is incredibly ageist and disgusting also.

(edited 5 years ago)

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