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Border control regarding leavijg the EU

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    I don't really understand the argument that the UK should leave the EU to gain more border control. The UK already has pretty good border control. If you live outside of Europe it's already not that easy to get in, and our government handled the migrant crisis brilliantly, only taking in a small amount and flying them directly from Syria so that we could be sure they were real refugees.

    1. Freedom of movement for workers shall be secured within the Community.
    2. Such freedom of movement shall entail the abolition of any discrimination based on nationality between workers of the Member States as regards employment, remuneration and other conditions of work and employment.
    3. It shall entail the right, subject to limitations justified on grounds of public policy, public security or public healtha) to accept offers of employment actually made;(b) to move freely within the territory of Member States for this purpose;(c) to stay in a Member State for the purpose of employment in accordance with the provisions governing the employment of nationals of that State laid down by law, regulation or administrative action;(d) to remain in the territory of a Member State after having been employed in that State, subject to conditions which shall be embodied in implementing regulations to be drawn up by the Commission.
    4. The provisions of this article shall not apply to employment in the public service.[1]
    ”The right to free movement has both 'horizontal' and 'vertical' direct effect,[2][3] such that a private citizen can invoke the right, without more, in an ordinary court, against other persons, both governmental and non-governmental.

    Fact: The UK can & does control Non-EU immigration.
    Fact: The UK cannot control migration coming from the EU.

    If you don't have an issue with almost anyone from the EU being able to move to the UK then fair enough.
    I'd say there are a large amount of Brits who don't like that idea however. Why?:

    1) There's no "Safety Barrier" or "Speed Bump". Literally the whole of France could decide to move here tomorrow & legally they'd be entitled to under EU law (that won't happen but it's an example).

    2) Non-EU workers are discriminated against - Surely we should be able to stop (for example) Eastern European waiters from coming here if we don't need people with those skills? Instead we should reach out globally for engineers (as well as train our own).

    3) Under-cutting of wages - You can't blame the foreign workers themselves for this. The average wage (especially now we're inputting a higher minimum/living wage into force) is higher in the UK than a lot of other European nations. I'm not going to say here they're all going to come to drain our public services - most don't. But they do undercut the wages of UK workers. You might not see that as a bad thing if it means you get your house built cheaper.
    But surely if we're implementing higher wages policies then allowing more immigration is counter-productive?
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