I&#x27;m angry at those who voted leave without a valid reason

Devastated. PM to resign :mad:

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Reply 22

nulli tertius

Original post by Fenice

The border will remain because the treaties governing it are separate from the EU and because neglecting or removing it would encourage more migrants to attempt a crossing at Calais, as senior French sources have said

You are correct that the border will remain. The question is whether it will be defended by one arthritic gendarme or the legions of riot police who currently do so.

Reply 23

Original post by nulli tertius

You are correct that the border will remain. The question is whether it will be defended by one arthritic gendarme or the legions of riot police who currently do so.

Given the two points I have just made I cannot see any logical reason for it to be neglected.

Reply 24

nulli tertius

Original post by WhimsicalSloth

Tell me about it. You could tell from fairly early on that the general public were not informed well enough or ready to vote in a referendum of this magnitude, although in a way I can hardly blame them.

People don't have the time or inclination to become experts in economics, immigration, international affairs etc. They're typically thinking about their own individual needs rather than the future of the nation as a whole. Either way it makes me sick, but I guess we will have to work hard to ensure the best with what we have.

They weren't voting about their own individual needs. They were voting about two things; immigration and the feeling that their areas got nothing from the EU.

Reply 25

ImNotReallyMe

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This was for democracy and freedom

Reply 26

Original post by WhimsicalSloth

Tell me about it. You could tell from fairly early on that the general public were not informed well enough or ready to vote in a referendum of this magnitude, although in a way I can hardly blame them.

People don't have the time or inclination to become experts in economics, immigration, international affairs etc. They're typically thinking about their own individual needs rather than the future of the nation as a whole. Either way it makes me sick, but I guess we will have to work hard to ensure the best with what we have.

I think it's exactly this sort of superior attitude which has characterised the Remain campaign and been Leave's greatest asset. It really is insurmountably arrogant to say that because someone voted differently to you they were simply not 'informed' enough or 'ready to vote in a referendum of this magnitude'. It's as if millions of urban liberals have adopted the personas of a small number of long dead aristocrats who know better than the plebs down the pub.

Reply 27

Original post by nulli tertius

They weren't voting about their own individual needs. They were voting about two things; immigration and the feeling that their areas got nothing from the EU.

I didn't vote for either of those reasons.

Reply 28

nulli tertius

Original post by Fenice

Given the two points I have just made I cannot see any logical reason for it to be neglected.

If you look at this from a purely French perspective, folk in Calais want to leave France, so there is no reason to keep them there if they wish to go to the UK.

The threat to France is South and East of France. Having a weakly defended border with the UK is pull factor tending to encourage folk in Italy, Greece, Turkey and Libya to come to France in the hope of getting to the UK. The issue for the French is whether it is better to spend money on the Channel coast or on France's other borders. Given a finite number of Euros to spend, where are they most productively spent? If you spend that money on the Italian border, you stop people who want to go to the UK but you also stop the many more who want to be in France. If you spend it in Calais, it has no impact on those who want to live in Marseilles or Paris or Lyon.

Wow.

Original post by Fenice

I didn't vote for either of those reasons.

But I think when they number crunch the results, and drill down into the sovereignty and democracy issues (decisions about what?) that is likely to be the end result. This wasn't a vote about straight bananas and feet and inches.

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