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Original post by illegaltobepoor
You want the honest truth?

The Common Fishery Policy. It destroyed my Grand Fathers & Uncles livelihoods. It completely destroyed Grimsby as a town which took the trawler count from 400 to 10! If you go to Grimsby your see the kind of poverty that is there.

I want the EU to be destroyed. Nothing would please me more if Putin invaded parts of the EU. Hopefully the EU is already breaking at the seams.

For me its a matter of revenge.


Here here mate, I have been to Grimsby, the town centre is dead. Absolutely dead. My aunt and uncle had to move their family away from there, all of their friends and where they grew up in, so that they could find jobs. This, my friend, is not right.
Kippers handing out hate signs against Poles in Eastern towns?
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/police-probe-racist-signs-distributed-after-brexit-vote-in-eu-referendum-a3281021.html

Found outside a primary school in Cambridgeshire.



Racism on the march in the reactionary atmosphere created by Farage and his fellow travellers in the far right.

As predicted, the Leave vote is being taken as a green light by racists to spread hate.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
Kippers handing out hate signs against Poles in Eastern towns?
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/police-probe-racist-signs-distributed-after-brexit-vote-in-eu-referendum-a3281021.html

Found outside a primary school in Cambridgeshire.



Racism on the march in the reactionary atmosphere created by Farage and his fellow travellers in the far right.

As predicted, the Leave vote is being taken as a green light by racists to spread hate.


What do you suggest is done about this? Given the absolute horror shown by remain campaigners I wouldn't put it past a few of them to fabricate hatred and blame the leave campaign.

The leave campaign never once stated its aims were to reduce net migration and thus racists can not possibly hijack it.

Racists and Xenophobes are in a separate category of dumb and illiterate people.
The leave campaign is deceitful and lying, they have tricked many people into voting for things that they never explicitly promised, however made it seem like they had.
A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. But then the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom.👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
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My apologies. I did not wish to steal your thought. There is nothing original in politics, I suspect.
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Original post by AxSirlotl
The leave campaign is deceitful and lying, they have tricked many people into voting for things that they never explicitly promised, however made it seem like they had.


Welcome to politics. Politicians lie all the time.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
Kippers handing out hate signs against Poles in Eastern towns?
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/police-probe-racist-signs-distributed-after-brexit-vote-in-eu-referendum-a3281021.html

Found outside a primary school in Cambridgeshire.



Racism on the march in the reactionary atmosphere created by Farage and his fellow travellers in the far right.

As predicted, the Leave vote is being taken as a green light by racists to spread hate.


If it's real why is it stuck to the dashboard of someone's car? :rofl:
Original post by stev43219
wtf are you talking about Read some of your posts back and get over it. Remain lost most likely down to your tarring feathering and lies about what would happen of e left. The leave campaign were not old racist thick little Englanders Most of the leavers voted against the removal of democracy and the land and power grab Most of the remainers were brainwashed benefitted or couldn't care less. There is an argument to be had that the poor in this country are left to rot by a lot of the remain side. This time though the poor and downtrodden stuck up for democracy and freedom Just like they have done over the centuries they are not the wtf's you think they are.


right...

and the leave side love the poor people and the government made up of brexiters will come to their aid almost immediately.

they didn't stick up for a damn ****ing thing, most of them couldn't even tell you what the EU actually did for the UK. It was a protest vote on their part, possibly so, but that just reinforces the fact that most of the leave votes were from clueless numpties once you remove the little Englanders, xenophobes and few that actually voted leave based on some rational thought. That is why this referendum is a complete joke.

They'll be tossed even further into the scrap heap that they already are, the Brexiters have gotten their use out of them and now it is time to ignore them even more than they were under the EU.


get over yourself
Original post by joecphillips
Why do people dislike democracy?


Because Democracy is the whole point of the petition. It was originally created to call for a second referendum if the Remain campaign won.

Because there was only something like 80ish percent voter turnout (still higher than the general election), technically, its not exactly democratic, because due to the very small difference, neither side has the full support of the majority of the population.

I voted Remain, and even though i dont think there will be a second referendum this petition is pretty good because technically it is right. The only way to get round this would be to make it law for everyone to vote, and then implement a box that states that you are abstaining from voting.
Original post by Copycats&Acrobats
Because Democracy is the whole point of the petition. It was originally created to call for a second referendum if the Remain campaign won.

Because there was only something like 80ish percent voter turnout (still higher than the general election), technically, its not exactly democratic, because due to the very small difference, neither side has the full support of the majority of the population.

I voted Remain, and even though i dont think there will be a second referendum this petition is pretty good because technically it is right. The only way to get round this would be to make it law for everyone to vote, and then implement a box that states that you are abstaining from voting.


I think not turning up shows you are abstaining from voting.
The government said there would be no 2nd referendum even if remain won by 1 vote.
Doing something over and over again until you get what you want isn't democratic.
*tut tut tut* Remainers, looks like someone's petition was intended to protect the Leave campaign and is being investigated for fraud.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36634407
Original post by joecphillips
I think not turning up shows you are abstaining from voting.
The government said there would be no 2nd referendum even if remain won by 1 vote.
Doing something over and over again until you get what you want isn't democratic.


I'm not saying that it is democratic, only that it points out the flaws of our democratic model. Besides, due to the amount of people who signed it, it has to be debated by Parliament.

Plus, not showing up doesnt mean you are abstaining. What about those who missed the deadline or those who didnt want to vote because of the total shitstorm and mud slinging that happened in the campaign? There was a lot of misinformation.
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Original post by toronto353
*tut tut tut* Remainers, looks like someone's petition was intended to protect the Leave campaign and is being investigated for fraud.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36634407


There's no tuttut needed.

Yes the petition was created by a Leaver. So? Backfired a bit on them hasn't it...

And the "fraud" investigation is a perfectly sensible request to confirm that the signatories are valid. I'm quite certain some of them aren't. That doesn't invalidate the whole petition, in the same way that spoiled ballots don't invalidate the Referendum.

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also I'd like to point out that this campaign was created by a Pro-Brexit student, and they would have used it to argue for another vote if the Out campaign hadn't won.
Original post by jneill
There are precedents for 2nd EU referendums. (but not likely in this case)

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No but we might get a snap election - keep the pressure on the MPs.

So far, its one referendum each - If it was a sport we need a decider - an ELECTION.

David Lemmy for PM with alliance with Libdems

Well done with this thread!
Original post by Copycats&Acrobats
I'm not saying that it is democratic, only that it points out the flaws of our democratic model. Besides, due to the amount of people who signed it, it has to be debated by Parliament.

Plus, not showing up doesnt mean you are abstaining. What about those who missed the deadline or those who didnt want to vote because of the total shitstorm and mud slinging that happened in the campaign? There was a lot of misinformation.


Those who didn't show up and decided not to vote had decided not to vote.
Missed the deadline the rules were clear, the deadline to register was clear and then extended and the deadline to decide to vote was clear so they can't complain.

Yes and a lot of the people who have signed it are outside of the U.K. A German journalist signed it to show that anyone could and it still is outnumbered by the people who voted to leave.
Original post by jneill
There's no tuttut needed.

Yes the petition was created by a Leaver. So? Backfired a bit on them hasn't it...

And the "fraud" investigation is a perfectly sensible request to confirm that the signatories are valid. I'm quite certain some of them aren't. That doesn't invalidate the whole petition, in the same way that spoiled ballots don't invalidate the Referendum.

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Mmmm yes, to be honest, I too was wondering how 3000 people from the Antarctic and 50000 people from the Vatican signed up (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/concern-as-online-call-for-second-brexit-vote-gains-more-than-39/). Looks like someone might have been trolling the Remainers (http://heatst.com/uk/exclusive-brexit-2nd-referendum-petition-a-4-chan-prank-bbc-report-it-as-real/). :rofl:
Original post by Copycats&Acrobats
also I'd like to point out that this campaign was created by a Pro-Brexit student, and they would have used it to argue for another vote if the Out campaign hadn't won.


So he just created it to favour himself? OK... :/
A fanatic song to celebrate leaving the EU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHNfvJc99YY

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