What can we do to stop Brexit?
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Original post by zigglr
We can't allow the old people and pub plebs to ruin everything for the young generation. Is there anything we can do to stop brexit?
Nothing has been ruined. For 20 years you've had liberal ideas shoved down your throats by the establishment, through your education system and media. Your will to remain comes from emotion and ideology rather than objectivity and intellectualism. Leaving will help us restore this country so that its government is answerable to its people and serves their best interests. Leaving will enable us to end the endless tide of immigration which threatens to make 'Great Britain', just a name for a set of islands off the West of Europe rather than a home to a certain culture and people who have given the world so much. Immigration can now be toned down so that foreigners actually integrate into our culture, rather than arriving in such a number that they just section off communities to themselves which leads us to a divided and impotent society. Brexit is about unity. How do you expect Europe can be unified if the individual countries themselves are not? The EU is a catastrophic failure which threatens your own future. You are liberal, aren't you? Guess what? The people who are coming here and reproducing far faster than us, are not. If you want a liberal culture, if you want your LGBT freedoms, your freedoms of speech, of belief, of thought, then how could you vote anything other than leave?
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Original post by Craig1998
who will more than likely vote to leave the UK then join the EU.
Why would they want to accept that financial liability?
Nothing because you cannot and will not stop it.
Original post by zigglr
We can't allow the old people and pub plebs to ruin everything for the young generation. Is there anything we can do to stop brexit?
https://waitingfortax.com/2016/06/24/when-i-say-no-i-mean-maybe/
Original post by zigglr
We can't allow the old people and pub plebs to ruin everything for the young generation. Is there anything we can do to stop brexit?
The post from this person above suggests that this person wants the UK to have a democracy similar to that of... I don't know. Turkey and Syria.
If you didn't want this to happen, then the younger generation should have voted, but not a lot did, it's their fault and they will live with the consequences. That's what happens when you don't vote.
Nothing so deal with the UK is leaving the EU by a majority vote, maybe it was the over 30s etc that voted more for leaving but that is because they have more experience with the EU and seen the changes to it where as the youth/younger people have been brainwashed more and don't see what the EU has become. We are better out of the EU and this is now hopefully the first step in other countries getting back independance
Original post by Edmund Monfort
Scotland really has some difficult decisions to make. Even if they leave the UK, joining the EU may not be possible because it's almost a certainly that countries like Spain and Belgium would veto their membership so as not to create a precedent for their own nationalists.
Don't really get your reasoning there :l
Original post by JC.
Nothing. The will of the masses prevails. That's how democracy works.
Democracy? Because 38% of eligible voters decided to one day screw over our country. Some of whom have then gone on to regret their decision (it's been claimed, but that might just be liberal media over-exaggerating stuff); I saw someone post on Facebook that they didn't realise the impact of them voting leave and wish they had not voted.
Original post by Craig1998
Don't really get your reasoning there :l
Because Spain have said time and time again they would never let Scotland join. Scotland can either remain in the UK or go it alone, they can't join the EU (well maybe if Spexit is on the cards there's a chance, but if that happens there won't be much of an EU left, as net beneficiary Spain would be one of the last countries to leave the EU). I doubt there will even be another Scottish referendum in our lifetimes, it's all bluster from Sturgeon, she knows the people will never support it unless they can join the EU in its current form.
Original post by scorpion95
Nothing so deal with the UK is leaving the EU by a majority vote, maybe it was the over 30s etc that voted more for leaving but that is because they have more experience with the EU and seen the changes to it where as the youth/younger people have been brainwashed more and don't see what the EU has become. We are better out of the EU and this is now hopefully the first step in other countries getting back independance
As a young person who's friends are 99% remainers, wow, brainwashed is the word. They really do seem to have been completely taken along by false dichotomies and the kind of newspeak that the EU supported.
Original post by Craig1998
Democracy? Because 38% of eligible voters decided to one day screw over our country. Some of whom have then gone on to regret their decision (it's been claimed, but that might just be liberal media over-exaggerating stuff); I saw someone post on Facebook that they didn't realise the impact of them voting leave and wish they had not voted.
A ComRes poll showed only 1% of leave voters regretted their decision, so we'll let remain have the 170,000ish votes of those regretting their decision and it still won't change the result.
Original post by Craig1998
Move to Scotland, who will more than likely vote to leave the UK then join the EU.
Thats my plan now anyway.
Thats my plan now anyway.
Scotland would have to join as a new country under Article 49. That application will take years. It would have to agree to using the Euro. And propping up other eurozone economies. It would also need permission from Westminster to hold a referendum. Sturgeon knows she won't be able to win a vote any time soon.
Original post by zigglr
We can't allow the old people and pub plebs to ruin everything for the young generation. Is there anything we can do to stop brexit?
Nothing
Original post by anosmianAcrimony
How can you call it democracy when you readily admit the vote doesn't reflect the wishes of 43% of young people? A second referendum would almost certainly be more democratic, as more of those people would vote.
Because the vote reflects the wishes of the majority of people who could be bothered to get off their backsides and vote. You don't get to ignore potentially the most important democratic decision you will ever be given and then whine about the consequences.
Quoting from a rather interesting comment on The Guardian's live coverage yesterday (it's long but worth a considered read):
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/25/brexit-live-emergency-meetings-eu-uk-leave-vote#comment-77205935
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/25/brexit-live-emergency-meetings-eu-uk-leave-vote#comment-77205935
Original post by Craig1998
Democracy? Because 38% of eligible voters decided to one day screw over our country. Some of whom have then gone on to regret their decision (it's been claimed, but that might just be liberal media over-exaggerating stuff); I saw someone post on Facebook that they didn't realise the impact of them voting leave and wish they had not voted.
Calm down and stop being silly.
It's no different than it was a week ago.
Original post by James82
Because Spain have said time and time again they would never let Scotland join. Scotland can either remain in the UK or go it alone, they can't join the EU (well maybe if Spexit is on the cards there's a chance, but if that happens there won't be much of an EU left, as net beneficiary Spain would be one of the last countries to leave the EU). I doubt there will even be another Scottish referendum in our lifetimes, it's all bluster from Sturgeon, she knows the people will never support it unless they can join the EU in its current form.
Whats your source for this?
Original post by Craig1998
Whats your source for this?
The Spanish government and every news outlet in the world.
Original post by jneill
Quoting from a rather interesting comment on The Guardian's live coverage yesterday (it's long but worth a considered read):
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/25/brexit-live-emergency-meetings-eu-uk-leave-vote#comment-77205935
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/25/brexit-live-emergency-meetings-eu-uk-leave-vote#comment-77205935
Just quoting to repost this article.
The majority (though small it may be) voted to leave, but we haven't left yet. The way I see it, we have screwed ourselves no matter what.
The Brexit "victory" has given a much louder, and seemingly more socially acceptable voice to the racists in the country. They view this win as them having more power. Should we leave the EU, more perceived power goes to these idiots and their voices get louder. Should it all fall through and we remain, the racist morons most probably will rebel, and now they will be screaming hate towards the government as well as the 'bloody immigrants'. So racism and probably hate crime will increase no matter what.
As the article above states, no one wants to actually trigger article 50. We are doomed to be run by a government who is unwilling to lead us forward on this, so will probably be stuck in limbo for some time. And let's not forget, Boris Johnson is more likely than ever to be our next PM. Seriously.
There is also the petition for the second referendum. Allowing this would probably result in a majority voting remain, which personally I'd be happy with. However, it also goes against everything democracy should be, and we will be left with a lot of unhappy bunnies, who let's not forget, are racist idiots. Not to mention, the rest of the world will be laughing at us for doing this stupid (and now pointless) referendum in the first place. Britain took it's country back, then crapped its pants and changed its mind. No one wants to be that guy.
Finally, we have those who voted for the Brexit, but are now suffering from 'Bregret'. These are the worst of the lot. Being too dumb to realise Nigel Farage was lying is not a valid reason for you to get a do-over. These ignorant swines have just demonstrated perfectly why democracy doesn't work. Some people are just too stupid to be allowed to have a say in the future of a country, or at least that is how it should be. The world is laughing at us, right now, so thanks for that.
That's my view on this mess. We've locked ourselves in a room with a poisonous snake, and now have to either fight to kill, or keep running from it. In my opinion, we'd be better sticking with the Brexit and fighting it out and hoping for the best. But then, I'm not a trustworthy and reliable politician, am I?
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