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Why was this decision even given to the British public?

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Lol, yeah how petty, voting for in a democratic referendum to leave, then wanting to leave, I'm sure you would accuse remain of that if they won....(!)

Listen to yourself, you sound like a totalitarians dream. I had family members who voted a different way but it would never descend to this. The more and more I see the remain reaction, the more convinced I am I made the right decision.

You cannot face facts with any grace whatsoever, it is pitiful, you can try and rework things against the will of the people, but I guarantee you the probably will only escalate for you, as the genie is now out of the bottle and referendums will spread across Europe. Just accept that the world has not fallen apart, grow up and get on with your life.
Original post by physicsphysics91
Move country then, I heard Germanistan is doing very well right now.
speaks volumes

about you
Original post by SaucissonSecCy
Just accept that the world has not fallen apart, grow up and get on with your life.
majorities make "wrong" decisions all the time. This, quite often, becomes crystal clear as time goes by (or even straight away)

while majority voting is the basis of our democracy, this does not mean that those who oppose the decisions should refrain from criticising the decisions themselves and from considering how we could possibly, by legal means, repair or limit the damage
Original post by mariachi
majorities make "wrong" decisions all the time. This, quite often, becomes crystal clear as time goes by (or even straight away)

while majority voting is the basis of our democracy, this does not mean that those who oppose the decisions should refrain from criticising the decisions themselves and from considering how we could possibly, by legal means, repair or limit the damage


But that's impossible because there is no way of knowing what would have happened in the upcoming years if we voted remain.
you don't know what you're talking about

Germany is just as democratic as any other "Western" State
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I'm not male, neither am I German. But nice xenophobia you have going there.
Original post by Mathemagicien
Democracy = non-experts making decisions that are better made by experts

British are great fans of democracy, even where it doesn't belong, our whole culture revolves around the idea of democracy. Very few people actually think its a bad idea, until we get stupid election or referendum results, so we only learn the hard way when something goes badly wrong


This type of response shows exactly why the shrill remainer-complainers have lost the plot.

Democracy isn't just some sentimental concept, it's fundamental to the success and prosperity of western civilization.

It's the only system that allows for peaceful compromise with the most interests within a country.
It's why instead of plodding along pretending that the support for Leave didn't exist until things blew up for need of a release mechanism, you're making piss-weak posts on a forum showing your oddly ironic appeal for neo-fascism/totalitarianism.

If you can't understand how authoritarianism is a recipe for disaster (reference: Almost every war ever in human history compared to democratic free market nation's unheard of levels of peaceful coexistence), then I wash my hands of my own generation.

YOU people are the dangerous threats to prosperity and peace.

Get a grip please.
Original post by tanyapotter
Why should they have had the power in the first place to undo 43 years of membership in the EU without being well informed about the consequences that would ensue? This matter should have been settled within parliament, where an overwhelming majority realised how terrible a Brexit would be for Great Britain - professionals who have studied law, politics, economics, etc. all their life. David Cameron is going to rue the day he ever gave into pressure from the Tory backbenchers. Even Boris Johnson and Michael Gove didn't want this to happen, but now "in the name of democracy" we're all going to suffer so unnecessarily.


You really think politicians are more qualified than the public to make this decision, despite not necessarily being any better informed and parliament not requiring any political or economic qualiications for MPs? And many of them simply being career politicians?

If the public are somehow unqualified to make the decision then most MPs aren't either.
This is why:

Boris/Gove want more power, they were hoping to knock DC out with a virtual tie, but remain lead - so DC's leadership looks weak.

But instead they won and now we're actually going the Brexit route, and they're clueless as to what to do.
Original post by tanyapotter
Why should they have had the power in the first place to undo 43 years of membership in the EU without being well informed about the consequences that would ensue? This matter should have been settled within parliament, where an overwhelming majority realised how terrible a Brexit would be for Great Britain - professionals who have studied law, politics, economics, etc. all their life. David Cameron is going to rue the day he ever gave into pressure from the Tory backbenchers. Even Boris Johnson and Michael Gove didn't want this to happen, but now "in the name of democracy" we're all going to suffer so unnecessarily.


This. ^ Dear god...Why did we even elect these clowns if they were going to make us take decisions that will have such important economic implications? I swear whenever the conservatives come into power they achieve a lot but will mess something up..2 steps forward 3 steps back if you will :wink:.


I mean come on...We the general public are not specialists in the field..There is a reason why we elect our government and pay taxes. They pay such high wages but what for? Can they seriously not use specialists in the field to make an informed decision on these matters?
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Original post by nexttimeigetvpn
This is why:

Boris/Gove want more power, they were hoping to knock DC out with a virtual tie, but remain lead - so DC's leadership looks weak.

But instead they won and now we're actually going the Brexit route, and they're clueless as to what to do.

Did you see Gove's and Johnson's faces when they found out they won? I didn't see a single smile creep up, and I haven't done since Thursday. They really did not want this, nor did they expect it.

Boris Johnson is less eurosceptic than Jeremy Corbyn is, I'm willing to bet. How bloody ironic.
Original post by mariachi
majorities make "wrong" decisions all the time. This, quite often, becomes crystal clear as time goes by (or even straight away)

while majority voting is the basis of our democracy, this does not mean that those who oppose the decisions should refrain from criticising the decisions themselves and from considering how we could possibly, by legal means, repair or limit the damage


Wrong according to people who voted for them, it is still democracy and by a country mile the most precious thing we have. If not we have dictatorship, or alternatively self selecting bodies like in the EU. Granted our political class and media class is somewhat self-selecting, and not much room for independence there, that's why they have proven so unrepresentative, but at least we have a say, and have free press(though ins a somewhat sinister way there have been attempts to stifle that)and an ability to raise our voice and vote in elections. Think about what the logical conclusion of your argument is, it's authoritarianism and hell. I 'm not saying this about you, but a lot of remainers are being hypocritical and unprincipled. I'm sure they'd want democracy if they were going to trounce leave like they thought initially, or of they were asking for a referendum to be in the EU if we weren't already. And, frankly, I'm increasingly convinced that a lot of Brexit would have been much more graceful and accepted it, in contrast to the behaviour of many remainers. I think the future decades, climate change's acceleration et al will prove this was the right path.
Original post by Gora The Xplorer
The majority of people did not feel that they were prospering from globalism and this is what you seem completely incapable of swallowing. An expert who owns houses in every major global city has nothing to say to poor people who have been left behind by the system from which he is profiting.

I was a remain voter, but I'm not a naive fool.


Well I wonder how those poor people feel about rising food prices?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/26/uk-food-prices-set-to-rise-after-brexit-vote-farmers-union
Original post by JordanL_


Use a source I can take seriously or else I'll start posting Mail articles just to spite you.
Original post by Gora The Xplorer
Use a source I can take seriously or else I'll start posting Mail articles just to spite you.


Mate, the source is the leader of the National Farmers' Union...
Original post by JordanL_
Mate, the source is the leader of the National Farmers' Union...


farmers were heavily subsidised by the EU and in fact if we did operate in a truly free market we would be enjoying even lower food prices because we would import out food from Africa and South America.
Original post by Gora The Xplorer
farmers were heavily subsidised by the EU and in fact if we did operate in a truly free market we would be enjoying even lower food prices because we would import out food from Africa and South America.


Not when the pound is down.
Original post by JordanL_
Not when the pound is down.


to 2014 levels

stop scaremongering, nobody believes you
Original post by Gora The Xplorer
to 2014 levels

stop scaremongering, nobody believes you


To 2014 levels, before we've even left the EU.......................................... why is that so difficult to understand? WE HAVEN'T LEFT THE EU YET
Original post by JordanL_
To 2014 levels, before we've even left the EU.......................................... why is that so difficult to understand? WE HAVEN'T LEFT THE EU YET


if it's going to be that bad people would have sold off by now

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