Corbyn loses Vote

Here's the full thing on his blog thingy.

https://medium.com/@OwenJones84/my-thoughts-on-the-plight-of-labour-38413229f88#.5fbm2rwd0

Pretty much where I would sit if I was in the labour party.

#MayforPM
#Torylandslide2020

Lets de-bunk this myth that Jeremy Corbyn was not to blame for the loss of the referendum for remain. Labour heartlands in the north voted decisively for Leave. Bolsover voted strongly for leave. Sunderland voted to leave. Newcastle nearly voted leave - despite its large student population. Birmingham voted leave - despite the vast majority of its MPs being Labour. Wales too fell for leave. Young remain voters (who mostly support Labour) didn't vote. The English areas that voted to stay were actually only London and a lot of Southern Tory-held areas (Cotswolds, Tunbrige Wells etc). The Tories clearly didn't fail as much in the campaign in getting its supporters to vote remain, but very clearly Labour did.

Now WHY is it Corbyn's fault you might ask. I question you, where was he on the campaign? What was he doing? He had a duty to lead on this key issue but didn't. Indeed for many, his highlight on the campaign was saying the EU was a 7/10 on a C4 chat-show.

Privately however, it is abundantly clear that he derailed the campaign.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36633238

To paraphrase if you can't be bothered to read it:
-Corbyn deliberately watered down his campaign, removing elements about immigration that were agreed by the PLP as a whole.
-Corbyn was too reluctant to give any support to the campaign

http://www.politico.eu/article/how-david-cameron-lost-brexit-eu-referendum-prime-minister-campaign-remain-boris-craig-oliver-jim-messina-obama/To paraphrase this if you can't be bothered to read it:-Corbyn refused to cooperate with the remain campaign as a whole (standing by Cameron) to show cross-party unity to leave the EU, which was shown to be the best way of gaining voters.-Corbyn was selfish enough to prevent giving their voter registration lists with Stronger IN, fearing the Tories would use it against them
There is more from Alan Johnson but its on the Guardian's livefeed but I thought you would dismiss it as being too Blairite.



As a Labour supporter, do you honestly think then that everyone else in PLP do not want to 'help people who are less fortunate' ? You don't think that leaving the EU will harm the poor in this country more than staying in, something he clearly inhabited? Really?

they have 0 chance of winning the next election if he is not leader

Firstly, he handled the referendum perfectly in that he let people decide for themselves what they wanted. He did give the facts and said what he thought and allowed people to make their minds up. That is democracy. He didn't tell lies like the others is that what you wanted to see him lowering himself to the level of other politicians?

Secondly, I'm a Corbyn suppoter and he has brought a different kind of politics and I do feel he can make a real difference. The labour MPs obviously don't like that. The other labour leaders have ruined the country and they will probably continue in future people have lost trust. Corbyn was different hence different and new people support him now. Labour will just be the same as it was once he has gone i think like the other labour leaders have done. Then it is the tories which are the best party. At least they've had a positive impact

He lost a vote of no confidence to a bunch of self serving Blairites. They're a bunch of Conservatives in red suits pretending to represent the working class. He should just kick all of them out and carry on with the socialist party Labour is.

If he kicked them all out you'd see all these self serving scumbags for what they are. They'd all join the Lib Dems or the Tories proving they do not care about their political principles but only care about their own careers. If Corbyn is forced out and replaced by a Blairite that is the end of the UK. Absolutely finished.

1) You are effectively justifying the fact that he did nothing in the campaign.There is nothing undemocratic about having a line of argument, yet he hardly expressed an argument. There was a complete and utter lack of leadership on his part in persuading Labour's core support. Funny how you also didn't counter any of the points I made about Labour Heartlands voting to leave and how decisive they were on the result. Which he - if anyone, had the best chance to persuade. He could have presented the 'The Facts' at any debate, of which he was in none. Can you say the same about Cameron's visibility in the campaign?

2) The 'real difference' you speak of has been perhaps the weakest opposition I think Labour has had in its history. He has been awful at PMQs. I don't know any example of 70% of a Cabinet resigning in the space of 3 days. I don't know how someone who lost a vote of no confidence, AMONGST HIS MPs, can have any legitimacy when the electorate at large arguably voted for a moderate Labour party as opposed to Extremist Corbyn's. I use 'Extremist' with great caution, but I think it is very appropriate to a man who has labelled Hamas 'his friends', has suggested a programme of 'People's QE' ie printing money as a solution to solving the country's economic woes, and has the arrogance of continuing in the face of all the facts.

. they have 0 chance of winning the next election if he is not leader, mark my words. r.

Are you for real? You've just made an absolutely disgusting and offensive comment. Are you referring to me as such for being a Corbyn supporter? I sincerely hope not.

Now you are trying to divert the attention away from the central argument.

Take it how you will. I don't pander to political correctness. You tell me whether you think labelling Hamas 'friends' is an extremist point of view. Or his economic policy where no credible economist has supported (i.e extreme).

That is because you made a shocking statement.
Show me where he said that? Where is your proof. When you make statements back it up

He HAS to step down, honestly I was a corbynite till this week, he's being stubborn, he has to realise he can't win an election. By staying, he is ensuring the conservatives gain more votes than ever and possibly is allowing UKIP to get votes in Labour heartlands.

He must go, but he probably won't - he has too much pride to stepdown. I don't understand why so many people value Corbyn's continued 'leadership' more than Labour winning the next general election. It really does beggar belief.

He lost a vote of no confidence to a bunch of self serving Blairites. They're a bunch of Conservatives in red suits pretending to represent the working class. He should just kick all of them out and carry on with the socialist party Labour is.

If he kicked them all out you'd see all these self serving scumbags for what they are. They'd all join the Lib Dems or the Tories proving they do not care about their political principles but only care about their own careers. If Corbyn is forced out and replaced by a Blairite that is the end of the UK. Absolutely finished.

Corbyn PLEASE stay on. Apparently internal labour polling has shown that if you do labour will be reduced to 75 MPs if an election was called now. #ToryLandslide


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