[Andregide]

The only heavy metal band I have particularly like has been Led Zepplin. Unless you also count Kings of Leon as Metal, which I know quite a few people do, they are very interesting, and seem completely genuine.

ag

[SmilerNuts]

since when have Kings Of Leon been metal?! more rock/indie i'd say

[SmilerNuts]

Vaughn - were Napalm Death any good? i missed them in Aberdeen cause they played in a Jazz venue

Metallica are a good band but i agree they're over rated, certainly not the best band in the world like people keep claiming

Bengal Tiger - clearly RATM are right up your street huh?

and if you don't like the bands mentioned then tell us what you do like

[NDGAARONDI]

Pantera!!!!!!!!

[SmilerNuts]

(Original post by NDGAARONDI)
Pantera!!!!!!!!

Now we're getting somewhere!
Ok most influential metal band ever? anyone got opinions?

[NDGAARONDI]

Most influential...

Hmmm Led Zep or Black Sabbath?

[Andregide]

Led Zep definitely the most influential - you couldn't have a NWOBHM without an origina; first.

I've heard KoL refered to as much as a metal band as a rock band. What I don't get is how indie has become a catch-all phrase used to refer to any rock music produced since 1990 which doesn't involve excessive amounts of screaming. I don't see any definition relying on either ethos or sonic qualities that would quantify KoL as at all 'indie'. I personally wouldn't count them as either indie or metal.

[vaughn_]

(Original post by SmilerNuts)
Vaughn - were Napalm Death any good? i missed them in Aberdeen cause they played in a Jazz venue

Metallica are a good band but i agree they're over rated, certainly not the best band in the world like people keep claiming

Bengal Tiger - clearly RATM are right up your street huh?

and if you don't like the bands mentioned then tell us what you do like

Napalm Death were immense, everything that i had been expecting and more =]

[SoundDevastation]

right..

Neurosis
Kayo Dot
Minsk
Mouth of the Architect
Omerta
Kids with Guns for hands
Sunshine Republic
Aotea
Khanate
Anoice
Circle Takes The Square
City of Caterpillar
Gantz
Six organs of admittence
Enablers
Old man Gloom
Chickenhawk
Rosetta
Mare
Mahumodo
Twinzero
Sourvein
Spires that in the Sunset rise
Rise and Fall
Gaza
Arab on Radar
An Albatross
Cutting Pink With Knives
Psychic Ills
Facedownin****
Boris
Sunn O)))
Converge
Rainyday****parade
Fall of Efrafa
Kylesa
Baroness
Capricorns
Isis
Pelican
Moss
ASVA

and alot of other stuff.

[vaughn_]

(Original post by SoundDevastation)
right..

Neurosis
Kayo Dot
Minsk
Mouth of the Architect
Omerta
Kids with Guns for hands
Sunshine Republic
Aotea
Khanate
Anoice
Circle Takes The Square
City of Caterpillar
Gantz
Six organs of admittence
Enablers
Old man Gloom
Chickenhawk
Rosetta
Mare
Mahumodo
Twinzero
Sourvein
Spires that in the Sunset rise
Rise and Fall
Gaza
Arab on Radar
An Albatross
Cutting Pink With Knives
Psychic Ills
Facedownin****
Boris
Sunn O)))
Converge
Rainyday****parade
Fall of Efrafa
Kylesa
Baroness
Capricorns
Isis
Pelican
Moss
ASVA

and alot of other stuff.

Some amazing bands

[-=/-\=-]

Slayer.

[SmilerNuts]

lol ok yeah, change of plan. Can we just all introduce ourselves, say what sort of stuff we like and any ideas you wanna talk about. Easier to start at the start.

Sound Devestation - clearly going for the sonic head**** bands there huh

Actually yeah, Sabbath are always credited with inventing heavy metal so that would make them pretty influential i would think...

Slayer rock!

[Andregide]

Introducing myself - andregide interested in classic rock, especially the British Invasion, art rock (Roxy Music etc). Don't like much metal made after the early 70s that I've heard (barring KoL or whatever). Favourite metal artists would be Thin Lizzy and Led Zep.

I don't think Black Sabbath can be credited with creation of metal. I think that's primarily a credit deserved by the alumni of the Yardbirds, who focused more on guitar riffs and a heavier style both in the Yarbirds, and in their later projects. Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, and Jimmy Page all went on to become some of rock's most renowned guitarists. The first hint of real metal can be seen in the output of The Jeff Beck Group. A new line-up calling themselves The New Yardbirds consisted of Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, John Bonham and John Paul Jones - who quickly changed their name to Led Zepplin. All of this happened years before Black Sabbath tried their hand at metal.

ag

[SoundDevastation]

They're not aaaaall head**** bands!

i think this society is a good one to keep going so i'll introduce myself too:

SoundDevastation - named after my record label (see my sig) which i have been running for about 2 years.

Into anything experimental, atmospheric, beautiful, extreme or just interesting... music that you have to sit down and conciously listen to, music that can make you think. Due to my love of experimentalism, most of the music i love i have found in the modern underground scene, so very few of my favourite bands are pre-00's.


i recommend you all check out Minsk.

[Andregide]

Does this mean in 10/20 years time, if you're still into experimentalism you'll not like the bands you like now if their sound/ideas become more mainstream/are copied and influence more mainstream bands?

ag

[SoundDevastation]

Its got nothing to do with what becomes mainstream..

in 10/20 years time id like to think that id still know enough about the music scene to listen to the most interesting bands around then, but i think i'll always listen to albums which have had a strong influence on me/the music scene, just not as much as the new stuff.

i still put on early albums from Botch/Neurosis etc.. (and in 10 years time im sure ill still put on Kayo Dot, Khanate, CTTS..) i think they will always be legendary and unique despite the hundreds of copycat bands.. even though my favorites 'right now' are far more recent releases.


Talk to anyone into the music that im into.. and certain 'classics' will always crop up. They're just not as old or as well known as popular classics.

[Andregide]

But what about the popular classics, why not them? At the time, they were certainly more innovative then than most bands are now. Success (or lack thereof) is often closely correlated with experimentalism. The Pretty Things, Small Faces and the like were succesful because it was a time when counterculture dominated the music industry. There was certainly a more radical and fundamental shift in peoples' expectations and perceptions of the role of music from 55-65 than there was from 85-95, or is now. The Beatles were more revolutionary, more experimental than other contemporary bands that lay claim to that.

What is seen as experimental now is inevitably tied in to what was and is mainstream and popular. I don't see anything in the work of Sunn O))) for example that wasn't already being explored and done by John Cale or Pink Floyd back in the 60s and 70s. The reason it still seems alternative and edgy is that it never broke through - its not neccesserily a new or original idea or development at all.

Just my opinion
ag

[Malkmus]

I like rock and some metal music although my taste doesn't appear to crossover with too many people here. Boris are strangely popular in this sub-forums though which is no bad thing!

I'll just list 10 random bands plucked from my mp3 player beside me I like that I don't think other people haven't mentioned.

Bardo Pond
Boredoms
Karma to Burn
Melvins
Shellac
Big Black
Black Eyes
Melt-Banana
AIDS Wolf
Lightning Bolt

It's pretty vague though. Rock and metal could probably cover 50% of the music I listen to.

[SoundDevastation]

As far as older bands are concerned ive listened to them.. I see why bands were experimental and great at the time.. i have infinite respect for bands like Pink Floyd.. i just dont LIKE them. i obviously dont like every experimental/original rock/metal band.. there are far more i dont like than i do. It just so happens that i know the modern music scene well, and picking out the 1/1000 band i actually like isnt too difficult. Im sure there where more bands in the 70s/80s who id really enjoy now but i havent found any, and finding them is pretty impossible now.

neither Cale or Floyd reeeally sounded much like Sunn O))). I can see the influences, and i can see that they experimented with drones long before O'Malley.. but Sunn O))) take it to the extreme, a new crushing, ear-shattering, unlistenable level thats great!

The Beatles were revolutionary yes.. im not saying anything is as original as they were then, i just find their songs pretty boring.




AIDS wolf!! (nice list)

[Andregide]

neither Cale or Floyd reeeally sounded much like Sunn O))).

Not for the most part no, because (imo) the older two were both more varied. But both had done things that were exploiting the same ideas and soundscapes that are still being used. For example, an early Cale piece called Loop, especially its reedit for the EPI shows.

And you need to listen to more Beatles I find it hard to believe you find every song of theirs boring. The great tragedy of modern music is how many bands try and take just one genre, or one sound, and focus solely on progressing that throughout their career.

ag