The OFFICIAL Corbyn Coup thread
As quite a few Corbyn coup threads have been created I thought it might be worthwhile to bring them together in one place.
Some new developments; apparently Corbyn has said to his office that he's had enough and wants to step down but Seumas Milne convinced him not to
https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/748172779262976000
Numerous Labour worthies of the non-Blairite variety such as Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband have called on him to go now. Numerous Corbyn allies like Lisa Nandy, Pat Glass and Seema Malhotra have stepped down and called on him to go.
There is a big meeting at the Unite headquarters today between the big three Lab-affiliated trade unions (Unite, Unison and GMB) and there are whispers that they are preparing to change their position (at least, Unison and GMB appear to be strongly considering it)
And tomorrow, the Shami Chakrabarty's report into Corbynite anti-semitism will be released. How long will it take for Corbyn to buckle under the pressure?
Oh and a very funny report; apparently a Momentum rally has been cancelled due to "overwhelming response" (make sense of that if you can)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/29/rally-in-support-of-jeremy-corbyn-cancelled-due-to-overwhelming/
Some new developments; apparently Corbyn has said to his office that he's had enough and wants to step down but Seumas Milne convinced him not to
https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/748172779262976000
Numerous Labour worthies of the non-Blairite variety such as Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband have called on him to go now. Numerous Corbyn allies like Lisa Nandy, Pat Glass and Seema Malhotra have stepped down and called on him to go.
There is a big meeting at the Unite headquarters today between the big three Lab-affiliated trade unions (Unite, Unison and GMB) and there are whispers that they are preparing to change their position (at least, Unison and GMB appear to be strongly considering it)
And tomorrow, the Shami Chakrabarty's report into Corbynite anti-semitism will be released. How long will it take for Corbyn to buckle under the pressure?
Oh and a very funny report; apparently a Momentum rally has been cancelled due to "overwhelming response" (make sense of that if you can)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/29/rally-in-support-of-jeremy-corbyn-cancelled-due-to-overwhelming/
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I hope they don't sack Corbyn...we need him to stay and wreck Labour some more 
Why Thutmose, do you want rid of Corbyn, if you want to leave the EU? This is what this is all about. You support the people on the ground, and the old Labourite Eurosceptics, and you help the leave cause.
We already knew that this coup was planned. A Telegraph article on 13th June, for instance, stated:
Now, it appears that Angela Eagle, or someone close to her, set up her website for the leadership contest two days before she resigned.
https://twitter.com/DougieMacM/status/748542937139679232
It was also apparently set up by a PR firm linked to Tony Blair. This is a man who advises dictators on how to cover up massacres; wouldn't be surprising if he's orchestrated this coup.
Labour rebels believe they can topple Jeremy Corbyn after the EU referendum in a 24-hour blitz by jumping on a media storm of his own making...By fanning the flames with front bench resignations and public criticism they think the signatures needed to trigger a leadership race can be gathered within a day.
Now, it appears that Angela Eagle, or someone close to her, set up her website for the leadership contest two days before she resigned.
https://twitter.com/DougieMacM/status/748542937139679232
It was also apparently set up by a PR firm linked to Tony Blair. This is a man who advises dictators on how to cover up massacres; wouldn't be surprising if he's orchestrated this coup.
Original post by SaucissonSecCy
Why Thutmose, do you want rid of Corbyn, if you want to leave the EU? This is what this is all about. You support the people on the ground, and the old Labourite Eurosceptics, and you help the leave cause.
Corbyn is not an Old Labourite, he's a Trotskyist.
The Leave Vote has been made, the Conservative Party will carry out that decision.
Original post by viddy9
We already knew that this coup was planned
So? I'm genuinely curious what that is supposed to signify?
The fact it was planned shows that these plotters have, unlike Corbyn, a bit of spunk and competence about them
Original post by Thutmose-III
As quite a few Corbyn coup threads have been created I thought it might be worthwhile to bring them together in one place.
Some new developments; apparently Corbyn has said to his office that he's had enough and wants to step down but Seumas Milne convinced him not to
https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/748172779262976000
Numerous Labour worthies of the non-Blairite variety such as Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband have called on him to go now. Numerous Corbyn allies like Lisa Nandy, Pat Glass and Seema Malhotra have stepped down and called on him to go.
There is a big meeting at the Unite headquarters today between the big three Lab-affiliated trade unions (Unite, Unison and GMB) and there are whispers that they are preparing to change their position (at least, Unison and GMB appear to be strongly considering it)
And tomorrow, the Shami Chakrabarty's report into Corbynite anti-semitism will be released. How long will it take for Corbyn to buckle under the pressure?
Oh and a very funny report; apparently a Momentum rally has been cancelled due to "overwhelming response" (make sense of that if you can)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/29/rally-in-support-of-jeremy-corbyn-cancelled-due-to-overwhelming/
Some new developments; apparently Corbyn has said to his office that he's had enough and wants to step down but Seumas Milne convinced him not to
https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/748172779262976000
Numerous Labour worthies of the non-Blairite variety such as Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband have called on him to go now. Numerous Corbyn allies like Lisa Nandy, Pat Glass and Seema Malhotra have stepped down and called on him to go.
There is a big meeting at the Unite headquarters today between the big three Lab-affiliated trade unions (Unite, Unison and GMB) and there are whispers that they are preparing to change their position (at least, Unison and GMB appear to be strongly considering it)
And tomorrow, the Shami Chakrabarty's report into Corbynite anti-semitism will be released. How long will it take for Corbyn to buckle under the pressure?
Oh and a very funny report; apparently a Momentum rally has been cancelled due to "overwhelming response" (make sense of that if you can)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/29/rally-in-support-of-jeremy-corbyn-cancelled-due-to-overwhelming/
If the Labour Party want to win a General Eelection, specially in today's hardened conservative political climate, the Labour Party need a Blairite. Liz Kendal and Yvette Cooper were both perfect candidates in 2015 yet the Labour membership voted in an unelectable idealist who's never done a day's work in his life. If Labour members want to submit to absolute socialism then they should vote Green, but if the Labour Party want to pursue social democracy with economic pragmatism then vote for a centre/ centre-left leader.
Original post by jake4198
If the Labour Party want to win a General Eelection, specially in today's hardened conservative political climate, the Labour Party need a Blairite. Liz Kendal and Yvette Cooper were both perfect candidates in 2015 yet the Labour membership voted in an unelectable idealist who's never done a day's work in his life. If Labour members want to submit to absolute socialism then they should vote Green, but if the Labour Party want to pursue social democracy with economic pragmatism then vote for a centre/ centre-left leader.
Agree completely. The fact he went on to compare Israel to ISIS yesterday only confirms how utterly incompetent he is (and that's if we accept his explanation).
Original post by Thutmose-III
Agree completely. The fact he went on to compare Israel to ISIS yesterday only confirms how utterly incompetent he is (and that's if we accept his explanation).
The fact that the coup was pre-planned demonstrates that they are lying about why they're trying to overthrow Corbyn, which in turn alienates the membership. This latest attempted coup has been pretty shoddy and disastrous for people who are supposed to be so good at PR!
And, no, he didn't compare Israel to ISIS. He was making the simple point that a whole group of people should not be blamed for the actions of a few. As I've said in another thread, people who think a "comparison" was made need to go to Logic 101.
Original post by viddy9
And, no, he didn't compare Israel to ISIS. He was making the simple point that a whole group of people should not be blamed for the actions of a few. As I've said in another thread, people who think a "comparison" was made need to go to Logic 101.
And, no, he didn't compare Israel to ISIS. He was making the simple point that a whole group of people should not be blamed for the actions of a few. As I've said in another thread, people who think a "comparison" was made need to go to Logic 101.
I'm sorry but you appear to be the one having the difficulties with basic logic.
Corbyn's proposition as a matter of logic was "Jew is to Israel as Muslim is to ISIS". They have the same logical relationship. It is not in dispute that this was a basic and fundamental proposition of what he said.
It's also hilarious to see Corbynites who have regularly claimed that Israel and ISIS are comparable (or even that Israel created ISIS, or even that Israel and the Nazis are comparable) to now affect to be scandalised by the idea that this is what he was saying
Original post by Thutmose-III
I'm sorry but you appear to be the one having the difficulties with basic logic.
Corbyn's proposition as a matter of logic was "Jew is to Israel as Muslim is to ISIS". They have the same logical relationship. It is not in dispute that this was a basic and fundamental proposition of what he said.
It's also hilarious to see Corbynites who have regularly claimed that Israel and ISIS are comparable (or even that Israel created ISIS, or even that Israel and the Nazis are comparable) to now affect to be scandalised by the idea that this is what he was saying
Corbyn's proposition as a matter of logic was "Jew is to Israel as Muslim is to ISIS". They have the same logical relationship. It is not in dispute that this was a basic and fundamental proposition of what he said.
It's also hilarious to see Corbynites who have regularly claimed that Israel and ISIS are comparable (or even that Israel created ISIS, or even that Israel and the Nazis are comparable) to now affect to be scandalised by the idea that this is what he was saying
"Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel than our Muslim friends are for self-styled Islamic states or organizations"
If you honestly want to explain this quote to a kid, the message is the actions of few are not representative of everyone. Sure when people like you exist, it's important to fine tune each and every speech so that absolutely zero people are offended.
This is just another case of someone trying not to be politically correct. Thought you were a fan?
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Original post by Thutmose-III
I'm sorry but you appear to be the one having the difficulties with basic logic.
Corbyn's proposition as a matter of logic was "Jew is to Israel as Muslim is to ISIS". They have the same logical relationship. It is not in dispute that this was a basic and fundamental proposition of what he said.
Corbyn's proposition as a matter of logic was "Jew is to Israel as Muslim is to ISIS". They have the same logical relationship. It is not in dispute that this was a basic and fundamental proposition of what he said.
I'm afraid not. His proposition was that Jewish people are not any more responsible for the actions of Israel than Muslims are for the actions of Islamic states and organisations. That is, people in the Labour Party, or in wider society, who blame all Jews for the actions of Israel are just as illogical as those who blame all Muslims for the actions of Islamic states and organisations.
Thus, he's equating the people who discriminate against both Muslims and Jews, not Israel and ISIS.
Perhaps you should read this article.
Person A says: “Everyone shorter than 5’8″ is an admirable person who deserves political support. Hillary Clinton is 5’7″. Therefore, we should support her.”
Person B says: “Adolf Hitler was 5’6″, and he’s not an admirable person, and doesn’t deserve support, thus disproving your argument.”
Has Person B equated, or even compared, Hillary Clinton and Adolf Hitler? Has Person B suggested that those two figures have anything in common beyond their height? Everyone with the most minimal understanding of logical reasoning would instantly recognize that the answer to both questions is “no.” Anyone accusing Person B of “equating” or “comparing” Hillary Clinton to Hitler would be engaged in a clear distortion.
Person B says: “Adolf Hitler was 5’6″, and he’s not an admirable person, and doesn’t deserve support, thus disproving your argument.”
Has Person B equated, or even compared, Hillary Clinton and Adolf Hitler? Has Person B suggested that those two figures have anything in common beyond their height? Everyone with the most minimal understanding of logical reasoning would instantly recognize that the answer to both questions is “no.” Anyone accusing Person B of “equating” or “comparing” Hillary Clinton to Hitler would be engaged in a clear distortion.
Got it, yet?
Original post by Thutmose-III
It's also hilarious to see Corbynites who have regularly claimed that Israel and ISIS are comparable (or even that Israel created ISIS, or even that Israel and the Nazis are comparable) to now affect to be scandalised by the idea that this is what he was saying
The notion that the majority of people who would vote for Jeremy Corbyn claim that Israel and ISIS are comparable is ridiculous, but I'm sure a small minority do and as a result they'll be perfectly fine with the illogical interpretation of what he was saying as well - yet it still makes no difference to whether he was actually saying that or not. Most people who support Corbyn just know that it will be used by people who can't understand basic logic as a political tool. Also, when people make clumsy logical errors (probably deliberately - everything must be Corbyn's fault at the end of the day), they should be corrected.
In any case, if you were offended by it, can I make a sincere apology to you on behalf of the Corbynite Hive Mind (Islington Chapter). We deeply regret the microaggression.
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Original post by viddy9
That implies there's something equally shameful about Israel and ISIS, something from which Jews would want to dissociate themselves as much as Muslims would want to from ISIS
The notion that the majority of people who would vote for Jeremy Corbyn claim that Israel and ISIS are comparable is ridiculous, but I'm sure a small minority do
So then presumably you'd agree it's also highly offensive to compare Israel to the Nazis?
Most people who support Corbyn just know that it will be used by people who can't understand basic logic as a political tool.
If they know it's going to be used against him, why did he say something so stupid? That's why he is quite simply unfit to be leader. He always puts his foot in his mouth. There's a reason Thornberry called the Israelis to aplogise for these comments
Original post by Thutmose-III
That implies there's something equally shameful about Israel and ISIS, something from which Jews would want to dissociate themselves as much as Muslims would want to from ISIS
No it doesn't. It's not about Jews and Muslims dissociating themselves from these organisations or states, it's about the attitudes of others in associating Jews and Muslims with these states or organisations.
Implying that a Jewish person has any connection whatsoever to Israel or has any responsibility for Israel's actions because they're Jewish is unacceptable, and violates one of the key principles in the actual report, which is not to assume that any 'race' or religious group are monolithic. *
Original post by Thutmose-III
So then presumably you'd agree it's also highly offensive to compare Israel to the Nazis?
I'm sure it's offensive to some people, but I don't care about what offends people: they should grow thicker skins just as many students in universities should.
On factual grounds, the circumstances which led to the founding of Israel (the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians) leads me to compare Israel more to Serbia during the Yugoslav Wars. David Ben-Gurion was much more Milosevic than Hitler. Indeed, if you look at the stuff that many Zionists were saying in the 1930s and 40s and look at the stuff that Milosevic and his ilk were saying, it's pretty difficult to tell the difference except insofar as the specific details were different.
Original post by Thutmose-III
If they know it's going to be used against him, why did he say something so stupid? That's why he is quite simply unfit to be leader. He always puts his foot in his mouth. There's a reason Thornberry called the Israelis to aplogise for these comments
I agree it was a huge tactical mistake.*
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Original post by viddy9
No it doesn't. It's not about Jews and Muslims dissociating themselves from these organisations or states, it's about the attitudes of others in associating Jews and Muslims with these states or organisations.
Implying that a Jewish person has any connection whatsoever to Israel or has any responsibility for Israel's actions because they're Jewish is unacceptable, and violates one of the key principles in the actual report, which is not to assume that any 'race' or religious group are monolithic. *
I'm sure it's offensive to some people, but I don't care about what offends people: they should grow thicker skins just as many students in universities should.
On factual grounds, the circumstances which led to the founding of Israel (the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians) leads me to compare Israel more to Serbia during the Yugoslav Wars. David Ben-Gurion was much more Milosevic than Hitler. Indeed, if you look at the stuff that many Zionists were saying in the 1930s and 40s and look at the stuff that Milosevic and his ilk were saying, it's pretty difficult to tell the difference except insofar as the specific details were different.
I agree it was a huge tactical mistake.*
Implying that a Jewish person has any connection whatsoever to Israel or has any responsibility for Israel's actions because they're Jewish is unacceptable, and violates one of the key principles in the actual report, which is not to assume that any 'race' or religious group are monolithic. *
I'm sure it's offensive to some people, but I don't care about what offends people: they should grow thicker skins just as many students in universities should.
On factual grounds, the circumstances which led to the founding of Israel (the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians) leads me to compare Israel more to Serbia during the Yugoslav Wars. David Ben-Gurion was much more Milosevic than Hitler. Indeed, if you look at the stuff that many Zionists were saying in the 1930s and 40s and look at the stuff that Milosevic and his ilk were saying, it's pretty difficult to tell the difference except insofar as the specific details were different.
I agree it was a huge tactical mistake.*
PRSOM.
Original post by Thutmose-III
Some new developments; apparently Corbyn has said to his office that he's had enough and wants to step down but Seumas Milne convinced him not to
https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/748172779262976000
Some new developments; apparently Corbyn has said to his office that he's had enough and wants to step down but Seumas Milne convinced him not to
https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/748172779262976000
that's speculation and unsubstantiated gossip, he has remained so far of his own will, the Labour members voted for him in a huge number. Hence his commitment to remain to represent the people, not scheming MPs.Numerous Labour worthies of the non-Blairite variety such as Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband have called on him to go now. Numerous Corbyn allies like Lisa Nandy, Pat Glass and Seema Malhotra have stepped down and called on him to go.
Gordon Brown served under Blair, Ed Miliband chose to copy Tory policies for his manifesto, these are hardly unbiased.
There is a big meeting at the Unite headquarters today between the big three Lab-affiliated trade unions (Unite, Unison and GMB) and there are whispers that they are preparing to change their position (at least, Unison and GMB appear to be strongly considering it)
No they are not, they are protesting in Westminster for Corbyn to remain as the unions voted for him to be leader of the party. Your claims are unsubstantiated once again,
And tomorrow, the Shami Chakrabarty's report into Corbynite anti-semitism will be released. How long will it take for Corbyn to buckle under the pressure?
It's been released, there was no antisemitism from him, and to accuse others of antisemitism is deplorable.
Oh and a very funny report; apparently a Momentum rally has been cancelled due to "overwhelming response" (make sense of that if you can)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/29/rally-in-support-of-jeremy-corbyn-cancelled-due-to-overwhelming/
Events can be cancelled and should be cancelled when there is not enough space to seat everyone and follow fire, health, and safety protocols.
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Original post by viddy9
I'm sure it's offensive to some people, but I don't care about what offends people: they should grow thicker skins just as many students in universities should.
I'm sure it's offensive to some people, but I don't care about what offends people: they should grow thicker skins just as many students in universities should.
Yet another Corbynite fool defending the comparison of Israel to the Nazis and then affecting to be scandalised when the question of people comparing Israel to ISIS comes up.
I knew you couldn't help yourself. You're so transparentOriginal post by Thutmose-III
Corbyn is not an Old Labourite, he's a Trotskyist.
The Leave Vote has been made, the Conservative Party will carry out that decision.
The Leave Vote has been made, the Conservative Party will carry out that decision.
But a strong Labour opposition could make it difficult, and it is a long process of leaving that could get carried out slowly, even up until 2020 and a GE, or what if one is sooner? Surely we need a weaker and/or Eurosceptic opposition..
Original post by getfunky!
Ed Miliband chose to copy Tory policies for his manifesto
That's preposteorus. Corbynites who call Ed Miliband a Blairite are invariably incapable of telling us which policies are supposed to be Tory ones. It's simply the received wisdom in the Corbynite camp; anyone who is not Corbyn or a Corbynite is a Blairite
Ed Miliband's policies included increasing corporation tax, repealing the hedge fund tax cut, implementing a tax on banker bonuses, implementing a profit tax on the financial industry, splitting up the banks with a market share cap, creating a government bank to compete with the City of London in the small business loan market, splitting up the energy companies with a market share cap, freezing energy bills, conferring new rights on tenants and capping rent increases, repealing enactments that prevent local authorities from investing in new social housing, bringing the railways back into public ownership, repealing the bedroom tax, among many others.
If you think that is a Tory manifesto then I can't possibly help you.
there was no antisemitism from him
Actually there was. Corbyn befriended and supported an organisation whose constitution explicitly calls for the death of all Jews worldwide. He has repeatedly befriended anti-semites and Holocaust deniers.
If you befriend anti-semites, give them succour and comfort and confer on them the respectability of parliament, while saying nothing to oppose their anti-semitism, then you are complicit in it. Corbyn has always shown that he will not say anything that could offend his anti-semitic friends or hold them to account
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