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For my own piece of mind(factorials)

Why does 0!=1 ?

sure the factorial(to me anyway) means sum of all the numbers multiplied from 1 to itself

so 1! would be just 1

2! would be 1x2
3! would be 1x2x3

but how can 0!=1????
[QUOTE=thegreatwhale;66467056]Why does 0!=1 ?

sure the factorial(to me anyway) means sum of all the numbers multiplied from 1 to itself

so 1! would be just 1

2! would be 1x2
3! would be 1x2x3

but how can 0!=1????

Factorial means the amount of ways to arrange n number of objects. So how many ways are there to arrange 0 objects?
Reply 2
Intuition: if you accept that x! = x(x-1)!, then by letting x = 1,
1! = 1(0!)
And then 1! = 1, so
1 = 1(0!)
1 = 0!

In reality, 0! is defined to be 1, and then x! = x(x-1)!, for all other x.
Original post by RDKGames
Factorial means the amount of ways to arrange n number of objects. So how many ways are there to arrange 0 objects?

0 because nothing exists there what tf?
you can't arrange what's not there
Original post by Alex:
Intuition: if you accept that x! = x(x-1)!, then by letting x = 1,
1! = 1(0!)
And then 1! = 1, so
1 = 1(0!)
1 = 0!

In reality, 0! is defined to be 1, and then x! = x(x-1)!, for all other x.


not understanding any of this :frown: ^^
[QUOTE=thegreatwhale;66467412]0 because nothing exists there what tf?
you can't arrange what's not there


not understanding any of this :frown: ^^

Yes you can. There is one way to arrange them, which is the absence of them.
Reply 5
Original post by thegreatwhale
0 because nothing exists there what tf?
you can't arrange what's not there


not understanding any of this :frown: ^^


You can arrange 0 objects in one way.
Follow the pattern
3!=3x2x1
2!=3x2x1/3=2x1
1!=2x1/2=1
0!=1/1=1.
(n1)!=n!n \displaystyle (n-1)!=\frac{n!}{n} . If n=1?
(edited 7 years ago)
Reply 6
Original post by thegreatwhale
0 because nothing exists there what tf?
you can't arrange what's not there


not understanding any of this :frown: ^^


So by definition,
x! = 1 if x = 0
x! = x (x-1)! if x > 0
It's defined this way, just like how the trig functions are defined by power series. But if we just take the relation x! = x(x-1)! for intuition:

You know that,
4! = 4 * 3!
3! = 3 * 2!
2! = 2 * 1!
1! = 1 * 0!
and the last line only 'makes sense' if 0! = 1. And like my previous post, we can insert x = 1 into the relation to get
1! = 0!.
https://youtu.be/Mfk_L4Nx2ZI

Watch this for a clearer understanding
Original post by RDKGames
Yes you can. There is one way to arrange them, which is the absence of them.

doesn't sit well with my logic but i guess so....
Original post by B_9710
You can arrange 0 objects in one way.
Follow the pattern
3!=3x2x1
2!=3x2x1/3=2x1
1!=2x1/2=1
0!=1/1=1.
(n1)!=n!n \displaystyle (n-1)!=\frac{n!}{n} . If n=1?

ok
Original post by Alex:
So by definition,
x! = 1 if x = 0
x! = x (x-1)! if x > 0
It's defined this way, just like how the trig functions are defined by power series. But if we just take the relation x! = x(x-1)! for intuition:

You know that,
4! = 4 * 3!
3! = 3 * 2!
2! = 2 * 1!
1! = 1 * 0!
and the last line only 'makes sense' if 0! = 1. And like my previous post, we can insert x = 1 into the relation to get
1! = 0!.

thanks
Original post by RDKGames
https://youtu.be/Mfk_L4Nx2ZI

Watch this for a clearer understanding

he explained it but i'm not "convinced" but i guess it's the best simple explanation there is
[QUOTE=thegreatwhale;66467922]doesn't sit well with my logic but i guess so....

ok

thanks

he explained it but i'm not "convinced" but i guess it's the best simple explanation there is

If you are not convinced by that then you are not convinced on what factorials really are
Original post by RDKGames
If you are not convinced by that then you are not convinced on what factorials really are


even though i do philosophy it's slowly seeping in i think i'm slowly getting it.... just one of those things you gotta think about for a long time haha
[QUOTE=thegreatwhale;66468090]even though i do philosophy it's slowly seeping in i think i'm slowly getting it.... just one of those things you gotta think about for a long time haha

Well at least it's starting to sink in :smile:
Original post by RDKGames
Well at least it's starting to sink in :smile:


yup

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