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Getting into Oxbridge for Postgraduate Study

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Original post by lkk27
I apologise that this is similar to an above question about the competitiveness of admissions to the Oxbridge IR and Politics postgraduate programmes, but my case is a bit strange.

I understand that postgraduate entry into the Oxbridge Politics departments is extremely competitive, and that successful applicants overwhelmingly received firsts as undergraduates. Does anyone know if the same standards of admission would apply if you've also completed a postgraduate degree?

I did my undergraduate degree in History at UC Berkeley, getting the equivalent of a first, and I just finished my MSt in Modern British and European History at Oxford, but only got an average of a 67 (with a 66 on my dissertation). I want to apply for the MPhil in IR or Comparative Government at both Oxford and Cambridge for 2014/2015 entry, as I want to transition from history to a more current and empirical subject and plan to pursue a career in diplomacy/government. However, I'm worried that my rather non-competitive MSt mark will hold me back.

Thanks! :')


I would agree with speaking to the department, but they may just encourage you to apply. The first means you have the necessary requirements, but they tend to look at the overall picture as far as I know.
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I've just finished a Law and Politics degree from a uni in Ireland. I finished with a first and had first class grades for third and fourth year (but they were literally just at 70%!), but averaged low sixties in first and second year. I want to apply for the MPhil in International Relations and Politics at Cambridge but am a bit unsure as to the impact my 1st and 2nd year grades might have on my application. I'm also currently doing a research internship related to what I would like to specialise and expand on in a master's dissertation, and have another NGO type internship done.
Would anyone have any comment or opinion on whether I might have a decent chance of an MPhil at Cambridge?
Thanks in advance!
I'm worried about my grades, also. First year I got: contract 57%, Criminal 57%, Tort 63%, skill, scholarship and processes 70%. Second year: public law 61%, international human Rights 78%, company law 65% and land law 50%. I have had issues this year, and had land law deferred. However, it would have been better to have sat the exam in the original slot. Anyway, do you think my grades are bad? I'm going to try and ace next year, and achieve a first, as I haven't tried so far.
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Original post by rea696
I've just finished a Law and Politics degree from a uni in Ireland. I finished with a first and had first class grades for third and fourth year (but they were literally just at 70%!), but averaged low sixties in first and second year. I want to apply for the MPhil in International Relations and Politics at Cambridge but am a bit unsure as to the impact my 1st and 2nd year grades might have on my application. I'm also currently doing a research internship related to what I would like to specialise and expand on in a master's dissertation, and have another NGO type internship done.
Would anyone have any comment or opinion on whether I might have a decent chance of an MPhil at Cambridge?
Thanks in advance!


A first is the minimum, so you meet it. You may be disadvantaged vs people that have good transcripts all the way through, however:
- you can use your internships to clearly demonstrate your enthusiasm for the field in your personal statement
- if you can get good references that will help a lot
- possibly most important for you, is that Cam requires a research proposal as part of the application process, which is an important part of the admissions decision. If you can give them a great research proposal, it will significantly increase your chances.

I'd apply if I were you.
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Original post by sj27
A first is the minimum, so you meet it. You may be disadvantaged vs people that have good transcripts all the way through, however:
- you can use your internships to clearly demonstrate your enthusiasm for the field in your personal statement
- if you can get good references that will help a lot
- possibly most important for you, is that Cam requires a research proposal as part of the application process, which is an important part of the admissions decision. If you can give them a great research proposal, it will significantly increase your chances.

I'd apply if I were you.


Thanks very much, that's really helpful!
Original post by rea696
Thanks very much, that's really helpful!

Are your grades similar to mine?
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I have just over 60s in almost all my modules in 1st and 2nd year, and then high 60s and 70s for 3rd and 4th year. Have you finished college yet, or do you still have time to bring up your overall grade?
Original post by rea696
I have just over 60s in almost all my modules in 1st and 2nd year, and then high 60s and 70s for 3rd and 4th year. Have you finished college yet, or do you still have time to bring up your overall grade?

I'm going into my final year, in September. I'm confident I will still graduate with a first. However, like yourself, I am worried that a few grades have let me down, and will hinder me when applying for jobs.
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Original post by Danny_law_13
I'm going into my final year, in September. I'm confident I will still graduate with a first. However, like yourself, I am worried that a few grades have let me down, and will hinder me when applying for jobs.


Best of luck for next year in bringing it up, hopefully it will be the final, overall mark that counts!
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Original post by rea696
I've just finished a Law and Politics degree from a uni in Ireland. I finished with a first and had first class grades for third and fourth year (but they were literally just at 70%!), but averaged low sixties in first and second year. I want to apply for the MPhil in International Relations and Politics at Cambridge but am a bit unsure as to the impact my 1st and 2nd year grades might have on my application. I'm also currently doing a research internship related to what I would like to specialise and expand on in a master's dissertation, and have another NGO type internship done.
Would anyone have any comment or opinion on whether I might have a decent chance of an MPhil at Cambridge?
Thanks in advance!


I wouldn't worry too much about it. I got a 44 average in my first year and still got into Oxford for my Masters and DPhil applications.
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Original post by kikkoman
I wouldn't worry too much about it. I got a 44 average in my first year and still got into Oxford for my Masters and DPhil applications.


Wow, that's impressive well done! Did you have any particular great work experience/extra curriculars in your application, or just managed to pull your grades up after 1st year?
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Original post by rea696
Wow, that's impressive well done! Did you have any particular great work experience/extra curriculars in your application, or just managed to pull your grades up after 1st year?


Thank you.

I managed to pull my grades up a lot - finished joint first in my year.

I also did two research internships, one funded by the EPSRC from my 2nd to 3rd year and the other related to my 3rd year thesis.

I guess I was also lucky with respect to the fact the research group I joined in the summer of my 2nd year was very well respected (I pretty much joined their group because I got along well with the lecturer and I found her research vaguely interesting!). Also, this said person turned out to be a world leader in their field and moved to Oxford the same year I did...

In any case, your profile sounds good and you seem very motivated.

Good luck!
Hello, I don't know if this has been answered, but here it goes. ALSO, i know it can be subjective and hard to give a finite answer. My question is how competitive am I at getting either a MSci or MPhil in science (taught or pure research) at Oxbridge.

Credentials:
American student from a non-ivy league college
Biomedical Engineering Major
3.36 GPA (can potential raise to 3.5 by the time of graduating and 3.45 by time of applying to Oxbridge)
Minor in Mathematics, Classical Latin Studies, and Chemistry
2+ years of research experience in vitro and in vivo with a novel immunological cancer therapy with and without the integration of nanotechnology. Either leader of group or individually conducted all experiments
Presented research at state, regional, and international conferences
2 proceeding papers published (4 by time of application) 1st author
Co-author 1 journal paper that has been submitted.
8 months of electrical and programming research (modeling tumors, assessing capabilities of non-touch temperature sensors for use in neonatal incubator(programmed and constructed circuit for sensors))
Accepted to the most competitive summer research internship in my state (Oklahoma)
Possible representing my school at my state capitol to present my research (pending decision)
Possible representing my state in Washington D.C. to present research (pending abstract acceptance)

Thanks for the help!
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Original post by AcquaLife
Hello, I don't know if this has been answered, but here it goes. ALSO, i know it can be subjective and hard to give a finite answer. My question is how competitive am I at getting either a MSci or MPhil in science (taught or pure research) at Oxbridge.

...

Thanks for the help!


Are you by any chance applying for the MSc in Biomedical Engineering at Oxford?
Original post by kikkoman
Are you by any chance applying for the MSc in Biomedical Engineering at Oxford?


No, I would like to do the MPhil in Clinical Science (TMAT)
I've had a gander at the one-year Oxford MSc in Comparative Social Policy -- since I can't really afford a two-year programme, and since the Master of Public Policy costs a hilarious £20,000 for a year -- lately, and am now trying to decide if the whole Oxford application process is worth the bother.

More specifically, I'm studying politics now with a quite heavy tilt towards IR; the department says that they welcome applicants from all backgrounds, but may it still disadvantage me? Also, I've no internships to my name (unless I'm lucky enough to score something small during part-time) and am unlikely to have that for next summer, when I'll probably have to work to save up for the MSc. Presuming I achieve a first, are my chances still good?
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Found these three articles on a site i have been using. nothing groundbreaking on this article but worth a read http://www.postgrad.com/blog/oxbridge-take-two-how-to-get-into-oxbridge-as-a-postgrad-when-you-failed-as-an-undergraduate/ but these two articles are pretty handy as written by students who have been through the process themselves http://www.postgrad.com/editorial/uk_universities/universities/oxbridge/applying_to_oxbridge/ and http://www.postgrad.com/editorial/uk_universities/universities/oxbridge/oxbridge_interviews/ Why do these websites have such naff photos on them??? Anyway happy reading as info is good. :wink:
I've got a (relatively high: 67.5) 2:1 from the University of Roehampton, and am now heading to the University of Edinburgh to do a taught masters, in which I aim to get a distinction. Bearing in mind that my UG university is not a prestigious one, accompanied by the unsatisfactory mark there, do you think I have a chance at getting into Oxbridge for my PhD? It would be in a politics-related field, as I did my UG in History, and I'll be doing my (taught) Msc in International Relations. Provided I get a distinction, I mean. I'm also keen on getting an internship, or even some volunteering done while in Edinburgh.

So if you've got any indication as to what I can do to increase my chances to get into Oxbridge, that'd be excellent. It's obviously too late to choose another university for my undergraduate degree, or increase my marks there, but I like to hope that I haven't completely ruined my chances. I do know that I've got two excellent references from my lecturers at Roehampton, though, and one of those lecturers have actually moved on to the University of Exeter.

I'm relatively certain that I can achieve a Distinction, as if anything can be said of my undergraduate career, it'd be that it was an upwards slope. I started out with getting mostly low 2:1s, but in the third year I got ~70% Firsts, including my Dissertation. The only reason I got an average 2:1, was that I screwed up badly on two essays in my second year, and one in my third year, due to entirely avoidable mistakes.
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Hey everyone!

I'm not sure in which thread I should be posting this so I just went for it here. I'm interested in admissions info for Cambridge University, more specifically the mphil in philosophy.
Essentially, I go to Anglia Ruskin University and am looking to go across the city for my postgrad; I'm just wondering if anyone has any advice as to how to boost my profile. I am currently sitting on 67% at the end of my second year with a view to breaking into the 70 % grade barrier next year however I am aware that this is not altogether easy. I also am involved in extra curriculars inasmuch as I am a supervisor in a local charity shop, involved with a couple of societies at uni and have done a couple of courses with Cams uni adult learning (all philosophy related.) Also my dissertation topic is also based upon the work of a current Cambs professor whom I am in contact with in terms of advice on where to go with my dissertation. However this is not something I feel I should bank upon nor should I big up so to speak.

Basically does anyone have any advice on what degree classification I should be aiming for and is there anything else I should be looking into in order to boost my application?

Thanks for your help guys, as I'm sure you get these kind of questions all of the time.
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Original post by LittlePlato
Hey everyone!

I'm not sure in which thread I should be posting this so I just went for it here. I'm interested in admissions info for Cambridge University, more specifically the mphil in philosophy.
Essentially, I go to Anglia Ruskin University and am looking to go across the city for my postgrad; I'm just wondering if anyone has any advice as to how to boost my profile. I am currently sitting on 67% at the end of my second year with a view to breaking into the 70 % grade barrier next year however I am aware that this is not altogether easy. I also am involved in extra curriculars inasmuch as I am a supervisor in a local charity shop, involved with a couple of societies at uni and have done a couple of courses with Cams uni adult learning (all philosophy related.) Also my dissertation topic is also based upon the work of a current Cambs professor whom I am in contact with in terms of advice on where to go with my dissertation. However this is not something I feel I should bank upon nor should I big up so to speak.

Basically does anyone have any advice on what degree classification I should be aiming for and is there anything else I should be looking into in order to boost my application?

Thanks for your help guys, as I'm sure you get these kind of questions all of the time.


Hi,

I'm not familiar with the department but in general terms: although they give 67% as the minimum, it's better to aim for a first, especially as they have a relatively low offer rate (20-30% of applicants - see https://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/univ/camdata/gpphl.html#admissions )

Unless your extra-curriculars are directly related to your degree they will be irrelevant, but absolutely mention the contact you've had with the professor.

What should hopefully be to your benefit is that the department requires two writing samples as well as asking you to talk about your proposed area of research. If you can submit really good samples and an interesting area of proposed research (this could be where you can mention the contact with the prof you've had) this could be enough to lift your application from the borderline of the grade entry requirement on which you currently sit.

I'm assuming you've read the graduate prospectus and are aware you need to have done at least two years of full-time philosophy courses in your undergrad degree?

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