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We need a left-wing alliance to promote an open, tolerant and multicultural society

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    Paul Mason is absolutely right: https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...fighting-video

    We need a left-wing progressive alliance to veto anything that goes against an open, tolerant and multicultural society, and ideally to win the election and gain power.

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    A left-wing alliance is precisely what's needed but it's pretty hard to stay optimistic in the fact of what are pretty dire circumstances. I can't see this happening although I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong.
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    OK. So who's part of this? The Green Party that can barely muster a single MP and very few voters. The Lib Dems? I'm not sure they'd want any part of this.

    As for the SNP - well, I'm sure working together with a party that wants to tear the country apart would go down terrifically. What exactly makes you think that is a progressive party however? They've tried mercilessly to destroy the Labour Party and have stood against Labour measures that would increase tax on the wealthier and whose policies redistribute wealth to the middle classes.

    Even together, how does this "alliance" win power? Where does it maximise its vote? I really cannot see anywhere that can be reasonably achieved.

    It's pathetic that a once-proud Labour Party is reduced to this sort of nonsense. If anyone was ever stupid enough to go down this route, people would see it for what it is: desperate and unpalatable. Labour would be destroyed.
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    (Original post by Plagioclase)
    A left-wing alliance is precisely what's needed but it's pretty hard to stay optimistic in the fact of what are pretty dire circumstances. I can't see this happening although I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong.
    In the House of Commons, there are only a handful of parties that are unambiguously of the left: Labour, the Greens with one MP, and the SDLP who have three.

    If you think you can make common cause with nationalists, then you're quite mistaken. Not to mention that it would kill the Labour Party in Scotland and Wales.
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    Please climb yourself back up Natalie Bennet or another member of the green party's ass
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    Even if all the leftie parties join together they wouldn't be able to pull it off. Britain is a solidly right-wing country for the foreseeable future, and let's hope we keep on moving even further right.
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    (Original post by Pinkberry_y)
    Please climb yourself back up Natalie Bennet or another member of the green party's ass
    My sentiments exactly.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    In the House of Commons, there are only a handful of parties that are unambiguously of the left: Labour, the Greens with one MP, and the SDLP who have three.

    If you think you can make common cause with nationalists, then you're quite mistaken. Not to mention that it would kill the Labour Party in Scotland and Wales.
    I don't see how they have much of a choice. The situation as it stands at the moment is the the political right in the UK is strongly entrenched and generally excellently unified, probably even more so that moderate UKIP voters are going to return to the Conservative Party, whereas the political left is completely fractured and has a huge PR problem. Unless the left manages to unite in some way or another, they're going to be irrelevant for the indefinite future unless by some random chance the Conservatives manage to mess up so monumentally that there's a mass public swing to the left. And it would have to be an epic mess up because they've got a brilliant track record of convincing the public that their screw-ups are for their own good.
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    (Original post by Pinkberry_y)
    Please climb yourself back up Natalie Bennet or another member of the green party's ass
    This is jolly rude.
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    (Original post by Iridocyclitis)
    This is jolly rude.
    Well that's a relief, I didn't want to appear miser ably rude
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    "England does not love coalitions"--Benjamin Disraeli.

    This is always one of the pipe-dreams of left-wings students everywhere where the left is not strong.

    History is not kind left-wing coalitions. If leftists can barely work together in their own parties, what makes you think they will succeed with others? The great problem with the left is a perennial obsession with ideological purity. Everything will inevitably degenerate into a petty competition of who is more virtuious and socialist than whom. The Greens will hate labour for not being green enough, Labour will hate the greens for compromising security and for being generally embarrassing (because the Greens are embarassing let's be honest). And no one can possibly be in league with the SNP, this is treachery and electoral suicide.

    Left-wing coalitions are usually pretty pathetic.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    OK. So who's part of this? The Green Party that can barely muster a single MP and very few voters. The Lib Dems? I'm not sure they'd want any part of this.

    As for the SNP - well, I'm sure working together with a party that wants to tear the country apart would go down terrifically. What exactly makes you think that is a progressive party however? They've tried mercilessly to destroy the Labour Party and have stood against Labour measures that would increase tax on the wealthier and whose policies redistribute wealth to the middle classes.

    Even together, how does this "alliance" win power? Where does it maximise its vote? I really cannot see anywhere that can be reasonably achieved.

    It's pathetic that a once-proud Labour Party is reduced to this sort of nonsense. If anyone was ever stupid enough to go down this route, people would see it for what it is: desperate and unpalatable. Labour would be destroyed.
    The last GE was hypocritical farce from the SNP IMO. Them going all out on Labour in Scotland but at the same time giving a quick nudge to people that they'd join them in a coalition down south, the prospect of such handing swing votes to the Tories in droves.

    As you've said the Greens couldn't make a significant impact anyway, all it would do for Labour is create more problems than they already have. The luvvy-duvvy brigade are already far enough detached from the electorate as it is without increasing their influence. If the moderates regain control of Labour then I think they could work with the Lib Dems reasonably effectively, but having four parties and all their competing interests in a union together would just create a disorganised mess.
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    (Original post by Iridocyclitis)
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    Classic modern left-wing thinking.


    Perhaps a better thought would be why doesn't the most successful political party in recent history have a chance of winning a majority on its own?

    Why does the left need a coalition? Can you imagine Teresa May sitting around a shadow cabinet meeting and aiming for a 'coalition'?


    A coalition is only for losers. Literally. You only form a coalition when you haven't won.


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    (Original post by Plagioclase)
    I don't see how they have much of a choice. The situation as it stands at the moment is the the political right in the UK is strongly entrenched and generally excellently unified, probably even more so that moderate UKIP voters are going to return to the Conservative Party, whereas the political left is completely fractured and has a huge PR problem. Unless the left manages to unite in some way or another, they're going to be irrelevant for the indefinite future unless by some random chance the Conservatives manage to mess up so monumentally that there's a mass public swing to the left. And it would have to be an epic mess up because they've got a brilliant track record of convincing the public that their screw-ups are for their own good.
    Labour aren't even trying to be electable any more. The right is not strongly entrenched, the Labour Party is ridiculously weak.
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    (Original post by Supersaps)
    Classic modern left-wing thinking.


    Perhaps a better thought would be why doesn't the most successful political party in recent history have a chance of winning a majority on its own?

    Why does the left need a coalition? Can you imagine Teresa May sitting around a shadow cabinet meeting and aiming for a 'coalition'?


    A coalition is only for losers. Literally. You only form a coalition when you haven't won.


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    Signing off as "SS" sounds a little suspect...
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    The UK hasn't had what you'd call a left wing government since the 1970s. New Labour were, at most, left leaning. Maybe some here need to get the memo - Britain isn't left wing any more.
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    (Original post by Supersaps)
    Classic modern left-wing thinking.


    Perhaps a better thought would be why doesn't the most successful political party in recent history have a chance of winning a majority on its own?

    Why does the left need a coalition? Can you imagine Teresa May sitting around a shadow cabinet meeting and aiming for a 'coalition'?


    A coalition is only for losers. Literally. You only form a coalition when you haven't won.


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    I'll hand it to the Tories, they're remarkably good at maintaining unity on their side of the political spectrum. Apart from UKIP there's never been a meaningful impact from any other right-wing parties, unlike the left that fractures into smaller parts periodically.
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    (Original post by Iridocyclitis)
    Signing off as "SS" sounds a little suspect...
    ...if you're 14 and you've just received your first history class.


    What do you think about the points I've raised?

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    To sum up how unlikely this is, last year a bloke from The Alliance for Green Socialism was on TV slating the Green Party for not being left-wing enough.
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    (Original post by Iridocyclitis)
    Paul Mason is absolutely right: [/b]

    We need a left-wing progressive alliance to veto anything that goes against an open, tolerant and multicultural society, and ideally to win the election and gain power.

    Agree?
    No, "mutlicultural, open, open-minded" become today a sinanimous for a insult. People see that it does not work. So, for the sake of your ideology you should abandom it and replace "etnich minorities" to some other group you can pander. I would suggest you to go back to the white working class and anti-market rhetoric, so you will have a future. Otherwise UKIP will aborb your voters.
 
 
 
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