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We need a left-wing alliance to promote an open, tolerant and multicultural society

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    (Original post by Plagioclase)
    I don't see how they have much of a choice. The situation as it stands at the moment is the the political right in the UK is strongly entrenched and generally excellently unified, probably even more so that moderate UKIP voters are going to return to the Conservative Party, whereas the political left is completely fractured and has a huge PR problem. Unless the left manages to unite in some way or another, they're going to be irrelevant for the indefinite future unless by some random chance the Conservatives manage to mess up so monumentally that there's a mass public swing to the left. And it would have to be an epic mess up because they've got a brilliant track record of convincing the public that their screw-ups are for their own good.
    Out of interest did you vote Corbyn last year?

    The problem with the view above is that as much as you dislike a Tory government, by getting into bed with the Greens, Plaid and SNP you essentially saying that the union is a price you are willing to pay to get the Tories out (they'll demand ever more concessions) and that's before we consider the decimation of defense that would occur under a pacifist government.

    The attitude from people who propose this is very similar to that of Corbyn supporters in that in their mind, the union, the monarchy, our foreign alliances, our overseas territories... these are all prices that Corbyn supporters are willing to pay for a pure socialist government.

    (Original post by JamesN88)
    The last GE was hypocritical farce from the SNP IMO. Them going all out on Labour in Scotland but at the same time giving a quick nudge to people that they'd join them in a coalition down south, the prospect of such handing swing votes to the Tories in droves.

    As you've said the Greens couldn't make a significant impact anyway, all it would do for Labour is create more problems than they already have. The luvvy-duvvy brigade are already far enough detached from the electorate as it is without increasing their influence. If the moderates regain control of Labour then I think they could work with the Lib Dems reasonably effectively, but having four parties and all their competing interests in a union together would just create a disorganised mess.
    I'd like to think that the Liberal Democrats would have too much self respect to join such an alliance. The husk that is left is not as left as it was a decade ago.

    (Original post by JamesN88)
    I'll hand it to the Tories, they're remarkably good at maintaining unity on their side of the political spectrum. Apart from UKIP there's never been a meaningful impact from any other right-wing parties, unlike the left that fractures into smaller parts periodically.
    I suspect that's because Tories tend act in their own self interest a bit more. I also think that Ashdown and Mandellson made the point on election night that compared to the left, the Tories can be utterly ruthless as a machine.

    Amusingly i remember Salmond talking about the leadership leadership semi-contest a few months back and commenting that they had nothing on Macbeth (Gove) who had already piled up 3 Bullingdon boys in the time it took Angela Eagle to run.
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    (Original post by Iridocyclitis)
    Paul Mason is absolutely right: [/b]

    We need a left-wing progressive alliance to veto anything that goes against an open, tolerant and multicultural society, and ideally to win the election and gain power.

    Agree?
    So the conservatives legalising gay marriage is intolerance?
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    Promoting an open, multicultural society seems to have gone well for Merkel. Oh wait, my mistake, she just endangered thousands of Germans.
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    Under a truly leftist government the UK is going to hell before you know it. Why don't you try educating yourself; research the before and after statistics on countries that opened their borders (I assume this is what you mean by "open, multicultural"). Don't know about you, but I'm not a massive fan of women getting raped.
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    (Original post by #ChaosKass)
    Even if all the leftie parties join together they wouldn't be able to pull it off. Britain is a solidly right-wing country for the foreseeable future, and let's hope we keep on moving even further right.
    Yay lets introduce racial segregation and overturn gay rights yay!
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    anyone for whom Manliness is important should vote for the Conservative and Unionist Party.
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    (Original post by Pinkberry_y)
    Please climb yourself back up Natalie Bennet or another member of the green party's ass
    LMAO
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    Tolerant and multicultural...but what about intolerant cultures? :beard:
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    (Original post by jambojim97)
    Yay lets introduce racial segregation and overturn gay rights yay!
    It's funny you should say that because many on the left (I consider myself firmly on the left, so don't go throwing some "right-wing scum" ad hominem stuff) advocate "safe spaces" for minorities in universities, often constituting voluntary racial segregation, as well as being completely comfortable with gender-based segregation, and they suck up to and support cultures that want to see gay people imprisoned or even killed, all in the name of tolerance.
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    (Original post by #ChaosKass)
    Even if all the leftie parties join together they wouldn't be able to pull it off. Britain is a solidly right-wing country for the foreseeable future, and let's hope we keep on moving even further right.
    We're going more left as the day goes by, go to Saudi Arabia you crackpot.
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    (Original post by 13 1 20 8 42)
    Tolerant and multicultural...but what about intolerant cultures? :beard:
    I guess you're talking about Islam? Well almost every British Muslim is tolerant, even if you argue to death that Islam is a vile ideology.
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    (Original post by IkeaLamp)
    I guess you're talking about Islam? Well almost every British Muslim is tolerant, even if you argue to death that Islam is a vile ideology.
    Essentially, that was on my mind; but it isn't the fact that it's Islam, it's the fact that there is widespread intolerance in that community. I didn't want to get into the specifics of the culture, because my point is more general and universal (and I do not want to, in spite of my allusions, turn this thread into an overt discussion of Islam, as this is not the topic). What you have said does not seem to be borne out by the stats I have seen, but regardless, the point is, even if you do not think any particular culture in the UK suffers from widespread intolerance, if one did exist, how could you marry tolerance and multiculturalism? This is the more fundamental question, and many people who promote both don't seem to have a good idea.
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    More left wing? Multiculturalist? :puke:

    The alt-right is the only future we've got left, the left has destroyed Europe.
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    (Original post by Iridocyclitis)
    Paul Mason is absolutely right: [/b]

    We need a left-wing progressive alliance to veto anything that goes against an open, tolerant and multicultural society, and ideally to win the election and gain power.

    Agree?
    The trouble is that they are notoriously difficult to get together and make work. The Greens won't work with the Blairites, the Blairites won't work with the socialist left, the liberals won't either, etc, etc.

    It's true that a progressive alliance would beat the Tories every time on sheer numbers, but mobilising it is a whole different matter.

    The next election is going to see a huge Conservative majority without a resurgence in Labour, which is looking more and more unlikely and with the LibDems still low on people's respect list.
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    Good luck with that
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    (Original post by the bear)
    anyone for whom Manliness is important should vote for the Conservative and Unionist Party.
    Lol, you do realise they stopped calling it that some years ago, right? Or was this another of Bear's harmless witticisms?
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    I'll pass

    (Original post by the bear)
    anyone for whom Manliness is important should vote for the Conservative and Unionist Party.
    >voting for the Cuckservative party

    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    The alt-right is the only future we've got left
    but le evil Nazi frogs
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    On a serious note, I think we should have PR.

    Paul Mason seems to have lost his brains since becoming Corbyns shill.
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    Such an alliance already exists, it's called the Labour Party.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Lol, you do realise they stopped calling it that some years ago, right? Or was this another of Bear's harmless witticisms?
    I think you are behind the times. The Conservative Party changed its primary name to Conservative and Unionist Party on 15th March 2016 and on the same day adopted Conservative Party as a description.

    http://search.electoralcommission.or...strations/PP52

    Mind you they appear to have adopted the description (which they still retain) of David Cameron's Conservatives on 2nd February 2001 which must have come as a shock to William Hague who was party leader at the time!

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