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Is Mourinho still a top manager?

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    Arsene Wenger is proving better than him so far
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    He's finished imo, but so long as Utd get in the top four he'll be saved.
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    ATM, he is but that title would be in jeopardy if he does the standard thing at United.

    He took over from LVG and a squad which was low on confidence and restricted by the rules of the old regime which tbf, he has lightened up those rules and made it a more happier place according to reports. He's been supported by the Board who gave him the signings he wanted and supported him in his decision - rightly, maybe - to oust Schweinsteiger from the squad and sending young players on loan (Borthwick-Jackson was one I hoped he wouldn't send out so we didn't have to rely on Rojo). Pre-season wasn't ideal but that was planned before hand plus his comments prior to competitive fixtures were good including on Rooney, dismissing his future as a midfielder and limiting his roles.

    Yet, the City defeat has began a negative spiral of form and it seems, a return of low confidence that seems to be re-appearing. Mourinho hasn't helped himself with the lack of firm decisions and most surprisingly for me, the lack of a plan on playing formations and personnel. I'm baffled he hasn't thought about how he would set-up the team and instead he seems to be scratching his head in a sort of 'I didn't think it was this bad' way and digging out players whilst mildly accepting his own responsibility.

    It's very early days and he will get time, that's for sure but realistically IMO this is the last big job he will get in England. He needs to make it a success otherwise he'll be working in those leagues he subtly criticised Guardiola for where the kitman can win the league.
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    Since Inter? Nah. Failed at Madrid and failed at his second run at Chelsea and appears to be failing now.

    Obviously there's still time to save this season, but I believe it could depend a lot on how well they take their next few difficult fixtures.
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    Frankly it looks like the magic left him by the last year of his Real stint and from about January 2015 it s fair to say he's been a bit of a joke, like he has been replaced by an impersonater and no one noticed.

    Im not particularly bothered what people think but I want him out of United as soon as possible, shouldnt even have been apointed in the first place so its just correcting an unfortunate mistake.
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    He needs to drop Rooney, increase the tempo and construct the side around Pogba.
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    Yes he is and I'm going to do this really radical thing and judge his time at United when its over not after a few weeks.
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    If he takes Manchester United to fifth place or lower by the end of the season I will celebrate.
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    (Original post by zayn008)
    Arsene Wenger is proving better than him so far
    When Wenger was Mourinho's age he had the Invincibles. Makes you think.
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    (Original post by TheMagicRat)
    Yes he is and I'm going to do this really radical thing and judge his time at United when its over not after a few weeks.
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    (Original post by mojojojo101)
    Frankly it looks like the magic left him by the last year of his Real stint and from about January 2015 it s fair to say he's been a bit of a joke, like he has been replaced by an impersonater and no one noticed.

    Im not particularly bothered what people think but I want him out of United as soon as possible, shouldnt even have been apointed in the first place so its just correcting an unfortunate mistake.
    So January 2015-May 2015 he was a joke, with an awful league record of won 12 drawn 5 lost 2?... He was a joke from August-December last year and that's all, let's not exaggerate
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    (Original post by difeo)
    So January 2015-May 2015 he was a joke, with an awful league record of won 12 drawn 5 lost 2?... He was a joke from August-December last year and that's all, let's not exaggerate
    After that Spurs game Chelsea played some dire football and basically won the league by default, he managed to annoy and alienate the majority of the squad, whined constantly about everything and was just generally a bit of a ****.

    A joke might be exagerating, but the whole of 2015 was a pretty damning enditement of his capabilities, so much so that, if you believe some reports, the majority of big European clubs no longer want anything to do with him.
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    (Original post by difeo)
    So January 2015-May 2015 he was a joke, with an awful league record of won 12 drawn 5 lost 2?... He was a joke from August-December last year and that's all, let's not exaggerate
    Not to mention he drew against Liverpool and then lost against West Brom after the title had been wrapped up, two games which you'd have expected him to win if there was something still to play for (or at least 4 points).

    Mourinho is at fault for his recruitment, and his use of personnel. I think most fans were in agreement that 2CB's were needed and only one was brought in (admittedly, it's hard to embed 2 in to the first team straight away), and the lack of a winger was particularly frustrating for me, especially after Zlatan had signed. If he'd decided that Rooney was gonna be the team's CAM, then why not bring in a marquee winger rather than Mkhitaryan? It's early days but he seems like a central player who can do a job out wide but prefers to cut in and isn't gonna go to the touchline. Really all of our problems stem from the wingers coming inside allowing teams to congest the space centrally and deny Pogba/Rooney room. Wouldn't even mind Memphis coming in for a few games to try and stretch the play but it's a pisstake that we got Martial and Mkhi on the wings. We're also missing a creatively inclined central midfielder with a killer pass (how Giggs/Scholes/Carrick to an extent performed the role). Can see this drawing us back this season but still think we'll get top 4.

    Someone said it the other day but Mourinho struggles to organise a team defensively unless he's going overt key defensive (Chelsea pre-Xmas 14/15 is an example of that), whereas someone like Guardiola is able to find that perfect balance (although Mourinho is probably the better pragmatist in big games). You can see that first hand in games this year, it's a combination of poor player spatial awareness and poor tactical instructions but you see someone like Pogba and he's either 30 yards too deep or 30 yards too forward, feel sorry atm for Fellaini who's having to cover for a pretty abysmal midfield, wingers included (although he's got major tactical faults of his own). Seen a lot of talk of using 4-3-3, it's probably worth trying with Schneiderlin-Fellaini-Pogba rather than Herrera, who's not tactically disciplined enough for José. Rooney would still have to be in the team on the wing to add an element of control as none of those 3 are the best-ball players so the same problems will probably surface.
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    (Original post by A Mysterious Lord)
    Has he ever been? Or has he just managed to find himself in the right place at clubs with already strong squads (e.g. Real Madrid are going to win trophies whoever they have as manager)?
    Not really; Porto weren't a top side in 2004,

    Chelsea only won the league once in the nine years between his second and third title wins

    Inter Milan had only reached one quarter final four years before his win and other than Mourinho, their only semi final this side of 2000 was when they had Newcastle in the Group Stages.

    Madrid have won La Liga once in eight years and it's courtesy of Mourinho breaking the league points record.

    (Original post by sr90)
    Good joke
    Why shouldn't van Gaal get credit for Martial and Rashford?

    (Original post by zayn008)
    Arsene Wenger is proving better than him so far
    He has one more point after five games.
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    (Original post by Diego Costa)
    He has one more point after five games.
    And how much did he spend on transfers? Pogba probably adds up to all the transfer deals he made over the summer
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    (Original post by zayn008)
    And how much did he spend on transfers? Pogba probably adds up to all the transfer deals he made over the summer
    Arsenal spent £90m (probably more if they wanted) and Man Utd spent £150m. Both spent huge and it's Arsene's own fault for not spending more since he had the funds.
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    But united have had easier fixtures.

    Arsenal have played Liverpool and the champions so far. They'll play Chelsea too.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    But united have had easier fixtures.

    Arsenal have played Liverpool and the champions so far. They'll play Chelsea too.
    I am glad we are getting hard fixtures out of the way since usually we just steamroller a lot of lower tier teams and then come unstuck against the big teams.
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    (Original post by Diego Costa)
    ...their only semi final this side of 2000 was when they had Newcastle in the Group Stages.
    Is that really relevant? :lol: I guess Chelsea's Champions League win doesn't really count as well cos they played Genk in the group stages.

    You've got a proper little chip on your shoulder about Newcastle for some reason haven't you.
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    (Original post by scriggy)
    Is that really relevant? :lol: I guess Chelsea's Champions League win doesn't really count as well cos they played Genk in the group stages.

    You've got a proper little chip on your shoulder about Newcastle for some reason haven't you.
    I was more pointing out that it was a long time ago, citing that a team who have been relegated twice were a top team at the time.

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