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B1055 – Education Bill 2016

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    B1055 – Education Bill 2016, Aph MP
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    ban grammar schools and ensure pupils have a voice in the way their school is run.

    1. Grammar Schools
    1. Selecting which pupils attend your school based on academic achievement is henceforth banned in all state funded primary and secondary schools.
    2. Governors
    1. The Governing Board shall consist of at least 12 people plus the Head Teacher.
    3.Short Title etc.
    1. This Act may be cited as the Education Act 2016,
    2. shall come into force immediately following royal assent, and
    3. shall extent to the whole of England.


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    The reason to ban grammar schools is that they do nothing but increase the gap between the haves and have nots, they also can tell pupils that they are stupid or a failure at the young age of 11 if they don't get in which can have negative impacts on their mental health.

    The reason for having students on the boards of governors is one of nessesity, in schools pupils often think that they are being ignored or that their views don't matter, by having them as an integral part of the school which holds the head teacher to account and they can represent students more effectively
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    B1055 – Education Bill 2016, TSR Socialist Party
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    ban grammar schools and ensure pupils have a voice in the way their school is run.

    1. Grammar Schools
    1. Selecting which pupils attend your school based on academic achievement is henceforth banned in all state funded primary and secondary schools.
    2. Governors
    1. The Governing Board shall consist of at least 12 people plus the Head Teacher.
    3.Short Title etc.
    1. This Act may be cited as the Education Act 2016,
    2. shall come into force immediately following royal assent, and
    3. shall extent to the whole of England.


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    The reason to ban grammar schools is that they do nothing but increase the gap between the haves and have nots, they also can tell pupils that they are stupid or a failure at the young age of 11 if they don't get in which can have negative impacts on their mental health.

    The reason for having students on the boards of governors is one of nessesity, in schools pupils often think that they are being ignored or that their views don't matter, by having them as an integral part of the school which holds the head teacher to account and they can represent students more effectively
    Sorry, I probably should've been clearer by this is a PMB not a socialist bill.
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    Why not go one step further and stop college's and universities looking at academic achievements?

    Once again Mental health used to push a bill, when is it the correct time not to get told you are the best at 18 year old after you have been told all your life how amazing you are despite being average?
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Sorry, I probably should've been clearer by this is a PMB not a socialist bill.
    A bit clearer? Leaving "Socialist Party" out of the field would have been a good start!
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    Hahahahahahahahahahahaha, classic Aph.
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    Nay, for the reasons that I expressed in the Socialist sub. The problem with grammar schools is rich parents cheating the system and paying for comprehensive tuition to get their kids into schools they're too dumb for. I'd know - I go to a grammar school where about 75% of the students aren't intelligent enough to be there. Fix that problem and grammar schools will start enabling social mobility as they were originally intended to do.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Nay, for the reasons that I expressed in the Socialist sub. The problem with grammar schools is rich parents cheating the system and paying for comprehensive tuition to get their kids into schools they're too dumb for. I'd know - I go to a grammar school where about 75% of the students aren't intelligent enough to be there. Fix that problem and grammar schools will start enabling social mobility as they were originally intended to do.
    Trivially false, especially with the way the exam system works.
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    To be fair, you would probably get more sense from the brats on the governing board (spare me) than the author of this bill.

    Utterly ridiculous.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Trivially false, especially with the way the exam system works.
    Maybe not quite that figure but I'm reminded every day that it's not false. It's a real problem.
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    The bill doesn't specifically state pupils must be named governors...
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Maybe not quite that figure but I'm reminded every day that it's not false. It's a real problem.
    If somebody isn't intelligent enough to do something doesn't matter how much tuition they get, they cannot do it. And anyway, the simplest solution is to increase places, not decrease them as some wish to do.

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    I don't support this, grammar schools are fine and schools should be able to decide for themselves how they're governed.
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    I don't support this.
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    Nay.
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    Nay.

    I'd rather see an attempt to make grammar schools better suited to aid social mobility and allow those who before couldn't get a good education, a good education.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Nay, for the reasons that I expressed in the Socialist sub. The problem with grammar schools is rich parents cheating the system and paying for comprehensive tuition to get their kids into schools they're too dumb for. I'd know - I go to a grammar school where about 75% of the students aren't intelligent enough to be there. Fix that problem and grammar schools will start enabling social mobility as they were originally intended to do.
    exactly the same for me.

    nay.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    If somebody isn't intelligent enough to do something doesn't matter how much tuition they get, they cannot do it. And anyway, the simplest solution is to increase places, not decrease them as some wish to do.

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    I also go to a grammar school and since the tests to get in are based on basic maths and verbal reasoning, it is very possible that students with the financial ability to do so can just be tutored up to their eyeballs to get a place. There are only a few of us in our year who were not tutored (naturally it becomes very clear who was when they start asking more difficult questions).

    I do, however, agree that more places are needed.
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    School governors should be the subject of a separate debate and Bill and I am not sure that one model fits all size of school.
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    Nay,

    I took the 11 plus and failed by a hair length, I am not bitter about it. The reason I didn't get in was because I wasn't really that interested so when it came to preparing for the tests I was playing pokemon on my gameboy advance instead. At my primary school, the headteacher paid for her son's private tuition for a year prior to his 11 plus and he got in. I remember because she suggested to my mum that she should do the same for me.

    Grammar schools don't aid social mobility at the moment, the majority of grammar school students come from middle class families where parents can afford some private tuition to get their children in but can't afford a place for their children at a private school.

    There are many solutions to this issue, the best one that I can think of is to continue to build new grammar schools but include 11 plus preparation in comprehensive primary education to actually level the playing field without giving anyone a hand out.



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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    If somebody isn't intelligent enough to do something doesn't matter how much tuition they get, they cannot do it.

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    Surely the current RL cabinet shows proof counter to this

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