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Tim Farron appeals to Labour voters

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37410525

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    The problem is he doesn't.
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    Misleading title
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    he's a nutcase
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    Good move. He might not have it in him, but a strong Lib Dem party can only be good news.

    Getting back to pre-coalition size should be a realistic aim.
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    What Labour voters? The ones I know that don't support the commie have all seen the light and are now UKIP supporters.
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    Last night at the Lib Dem conference, the Lib Dem "glee" Club sung a song called "Tony Blair can **** off and die". They also sung a song about how "loathed" Owen Smith is, and then another that mocked Charles Kennedy's drinking problem (and lest anyone on this board forget, he died a few months ago from alcohol-related issues).

    The Liberal Democrats are children. Their utter unsuitability for government was demonstrated by the time they were in coalition, they allowed themselves to keep getting ****ed over by the Tories. And sometimes they were happy to get ****ed over, like on tuition fees, because that was the policy the leadership really wanted, despite having campaigned emphatically on "We will abolish tuition fees. No more broken promises!". Literally.

    The liberal democrats are utterly dishonest in what they believe in; during the Blair years they tried to pretend they were to the left of the Labour Party, and then went straight into coalition with the Tories. If they had any backbone they would have agreed a confidence and supply arrangement with the Tories, and then voted on bills as they came up. Of course by doing that they wouldn't be able to enjoy all the ministerial limos, grace and favour residences, red boxes and unctuous civil servants saying, "Yes, Secretary of State. Immediately, Secretary of State. Three bags full, Secretary of State".

    I dislike the Liberal Democrats more than I do the Tories. At least the Tories know what they've about, and they're mostly honest about it. No surprises. The Lib Dems are basically a political weathervane. Their implosion in the 2015 election is the perfect example of the Australian political proverb, "If you sit on the fence long enough you'll get splinters up your arse"
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    (Original post by #ChaosKass)
    What Labour voters? The ones I know that don't support the commie have all seen the light and are now UKIP supporters.
    Obviously you don't have a very broad circle of friends. There are plenty of Labour moderates, in fact there's at least 150,000 of them who are members of the Labour Party, and around 9 million people voted Labour at the last election. Most of those people oppose Corbyn
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Good move. He might not have it in him, but a strong Lib Dem party can only be good news.

    Getting back to pre-coalition size should be a realistic aim.
    I don't think it's particularly realistic. They did well in the Labour years because Labour moderates in Lib Dem - Conservative marginals would vote Liberal Democrat. They won't do that anymore, they despise the Liberal Democrats (and the feeling is clearly mutual given the nauseating songs they were singing in the Lib Dem "Glee" Club against Tony Blair last night).

    Labour voters will vote Labour. Labour leftists will never ever go back to voting Lib Dem, Labour moderates are waiting and hoping for the party to return to sanity or vote for a new centre-left party. Farron said last night, "We are the pro-business party, the party of free markets and free trade". If a moderate Labour member wanted that they'd vote for the Tories.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    I don't think it's particularly realistic. They did well in the Labour years because Labour moderates in Lib Dem - Conservative marginals would vote Liberal Democrat. They won't do that anymore, they despise the Liberal Democrats (and the feeling is clearly mutual given the nauseating songs they were singing in the Lib Dem "Glee" Club against Tony Blair last night).

    Labour voters will vote Labour. Labour leftists will never ever go back to voting Lib Dem, Labour moderates are waiting and hoping for the party to return to sanity or vote for a new centre-left party. Farron said last night, "We are the pro-business party, the party of free markets and free trade". If a moderate Labour member wanted that they'd vote for the Tories.
    There's an awful lot of people who have been voting Labour who won't do while Corbyn's personality cult is running the place and would prefer not to vote Tory. They might need more convincing that the LD's are able to reflect their way of thinking, but at least someone's trying.


    Don't get me wrong, I don't think they'll manage it, mostly because Tim Farron is always followed by one word ("who?"). But their later days under Kennedy and early days under Clegg weren't bad.

    I'm just keen to see more competition at a high level in national politics.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    There's an awful lot of people who have been voting Labour who won't do while Corbyn's personality cult is running the place and would prefer not to vote Tory.
    Absolutely. And knowing quite a few of them myself, I know that they are disinclined to support the Liberal Democrats. Many of us will abstain rather than vote for any of those three, as painful as that would be for political junkies. At the moment we are banking on some kind of change in the Labour Party or a new centre-left party. The Liberal Democrats are simply incongruent with our politics; we are socialists and social-democrats, we are patriotic, we want to remain a nuclear power, etc etc.

    The Liberal Democrats have a free-market dogma mixed with all the worst kinds of sandal-wearing, pearl-clutching anti-government hysteria, conspiracism and quasi-libertarian opposition to reasonable anti-terrorism measures. I don't know any Labour moderates who would jump from a Labour led by Corbyn, with one of the biggest reasons being his foreign policy, his anti-Trident stance, his pro-terrorist inclinations, his anti-Israel xenophobia, to go join a party with people like David Ward and Jenny Tonge in it, a party that also wants to bin Trident, and which has a terrible record for grandstanding on law enforcement and terrorism measures.

    The Liberal Democrats represent the worst sort of arrogant, parochial, middle-class NIMBY politics. They're basically free-market Corbynites.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't think they'll manage it, mostly because Tim Farron is always followed by one word

    I'm just keen to see more competition at a high level in national politics.
    They did okay because Labour voters were willing to vote Lib Dem in Lib Dem - Conservative races. The vast majority are no longer willing to do so. If you ever get to a point where someone like John McTernan would vote Lib Dem, then that's probably the point where they've changed enough (and got rid of the worst elements) that Labour moderates and the old Labour right would be willing to vote for them. That day is a very long way off

    In any case, the Lib Dems have already entered the political death spiral. 8 MPs means they get almost no coverage. No coverage means very little attention from voters. Little attention means fewer votes, and on and on.

    I want to see some more competition, ideally in the form of a new centre-left party if Labour cannot return to sanity. I think such a party is likely to be very popular; people are crying out for a credible, moderate but economically progressive alternative to the Tories. Such a party would get an excellent start if, when the Corbynite deselections start, they all jump at the same time and resign their seats to hold byelections under an "Independent Labour" banner. I suspect they would for the most part beat the official Labour Corbynite candidates.
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    typical lib dem - prepared to get into bed with any party

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