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Half of all Australians want to ban Muslim immigration

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...migration.html


    It came as an Essential Research poll released on Wednesday found 49 per cent of Australians support a ban on Muslim immigration, including 60 per cent of Coalition voters, 40 per cent of Labor voters and 34 per cent of Greens voters.

    The most common reasons for wanting a ban were fears over terrorism, and a belief that Muslim migrants do not integrate into society nor share Australian values. The poll was first conducted in early August and then repeated to ensure it was not a rogue.

    "It's too a big a number to say it's an unrepresentative rump that should be shunned from polite society," Essential pollster Peter Lewis told Fairfax Media.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...20-grkufa.html



    34% of Greens voters. :eek: Apparently, Australian Greens are not the same as ours.
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    Sample Size: 1000



    out of 24,095,200 people :curious:
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    That's pretty scary in all truth.

    Anti-Muslim bigotry manifesting in broad generalisations and stereotypes is really becoming the new norm in political discourse.
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    (Original post by AshEntropy)
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    out of 24,095,200 people :curious:
    This is how statistics work.
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    (Original post by Cain Tesfaye)
    That's pretty scary in all truth.

    Anti-Muslim bigotry manifesting in broad generalisations and stereotypes is really becoming the new norm in political discourse.
    So....you're saying Australians are bigoted?
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    (Original post by AshEntropy)
    Sample Size: 1000



    out of 24,095,200 people :curious:
    Yes, that is how stats work.
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    So....you're saying Australians are bigoted?
    If you support a blanket ban on an entire group of people because of their religion then I would regard you to be a bigot.

    So the 49% of people in the poll that espoused that view, yes, I would regard them as bigots.
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    Before you accept the poll results as gospel, remember that some of the surveys taken pre-referendum had 75% support for Remain.
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    (Original post by AshEntropy)
    Sample Size: 1000



    out of 24,095,200 people :curious:
    Medical studies operate on similar sized samples, and these studies help shape medical treatments for the whole worlds population. There are arguments to be made against these statistics, but this is not the argument. This just shows a lack of understanding of basic statistics.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    The most common reasons for wanting a ban were fears over terrorism, and a belief that Muslim migrants do not integrate into society nor share Australian values.
    Beyond all the media influences I think this is a very valid point...
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    (Original post by AshEntropy)
    Sample Size: 1000



    out of 24,095,200 people :curious:
    Professional statisticians generally design the test so that the sample size would produce a sufficiently small margin of error to allow reasonable conclusions to be drawn, this isn't A level biology where ''hehehe, make sure teh sample size is big enuff so dat u can make acceptable conclusions xxx :*'' gets you 3 marks.


    People on TSR seem to genuinely believe an acceptable sample size is just a proportion of the absolute population, like you have to ask half or a quarter etc.

    (Original post by Dez)
    Before you accept the poll results as gospel, remember that some of the surveys taken pre-referendum had 75% support for Remain.
    The usual reasons for blatantly wrong poll results like that are generally poor sampling methodology, e.g. it only polled readers of one newspaper.
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    (Original post by West Bank Spank)
    The usual reasons for blatantly wrong poll results like that are generally poor sampling methodology, e.g. it only polled readers of one newspaper.
    Quite right, and exactly the same thing may have happened on this poll too. At the very least they ought to have run the survey more than once.
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    (Original post by Dez)
    Quite right, and exactly the same thing may have happened on this poll too. At the very least they ought to have run the survey more than once.
    I'm not sure how that would help if the selection process itself is flawed, with political polls there is always a danger of those people with the strongest opinions being most eager to answer whereas a more ''typical'' member of the population just doesn't care enough to bother.

    EDIT: As I'm sure you're aware.
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    (Original post by West Bank Spank)
    Professional statisticians generally design the test so that the sample size would produce a sufficiently small margin of error to allow reasonable conclusions to be drawn, this isn't A level biology where ''hehehe, make sure teh sample size is big enuff so dat u can make acceptable conclusions xxx :*'' gets you 3 marks.


    People on TSR seem to genuinely believe an acceptable sample size is just a proportion of the absolute population, like you have to ask half or a quarter etc.



    The usual reasons for blatantly wrong poll results like that are generally poor sampling methodology, e.g. it only polled readers of one newspaper.
    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    Medical studies operate on similar sized samples, and these studies help shape medical treatments for the whole worlds population. There are arguments to be made against these statistics, but this is not the argument. This just shows a lack of understanding of basic statistics.
    To be fair, I made thread yesterday that got completely derailed because people couldn't understand some very basic maths.
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    To be fair, I made thread yesterday that got completely derailed because people couldn't understand some very basic maths.
    TSR has some cool people on it, but compared with the people I've spoken with on other websites, this really is the special ed class. I think it's because it selects for middle class A level kids who just trot out what the learned at school that day.


    When I first came on, everyone seemed super clever and logical, then I realised it was because they took A level critical thinking and were just repeating the syllabus, not impressed.
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    (Original post by Dez)
    Quite right, and exactly the same thing may have happened on this poll too. At the very least they ought to have run the survey more than once.
    But this is what they did: "The poll was first conducted in early August and then repeated to ensure it was not a rogue."
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    I think the same poll would get even bigger support for banning Muslim immigrants in most European countries. What is really surprising is to see that many left wing sympathisers also support such ban.
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    Australia has always had racist immigration policies which excluded non white people from immigrating there. This is just a continuation of it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy
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    (Original post by Maker)
    Australia has always had racist immigration policies which excluded non white people from immigrating there. This is just a continuation of it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy
    muslims are not a 'race'
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    The ruling powers want Muslims to be moved out of their homelands so what Australian people think is irrelevant to them

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