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How many state school students at Oxbridge?

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% state school students at Oxbridge

Approx what % of UK students at Cambridge or Oxford are from state schools (comprehensives, grammars, sixth form colleges, etc)?

It seems only 1 in 20 teachers know the answer.

Do you? (Vote in the poll before checking :wink:

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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/oct/13/oxbridge-fails-persuade-state-teachers-send-pupils-interview

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Reply 1

Fox Corner

I got it right! :excited:

I wonder what that is compared to how many of the general population go to state/private schools?

Reply 2

♥Samantha♥

I already knew it was 60%, but in the general population 93% of students go to state schools, but that falls to 82% of sixth formers.

Reply 3

Doones

Original post by Fox Corner

I got it right! :excited:

I wonder what that is compared to how many of the general population go to state/private schools?

Congrats!

Only approx 20% of over 16s go to private schools, so yes they are over-represented at Oxbridge but the proportion of state to private is "improving".

Reply 4

Kvothe the Arcane

I thought it was lower than it actually is.

Reply 5

username2471155

This is actually more than I expected.

Reply 6

Doones

Original post by Kvothe the Arcane

I thought it was lower than it actually is.

Original post by SM6

This is actually more than I expected.

Which is what most think too, including teachers.

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Reply 7

username2471155

Original post by jneill

Which is what most think too, including teachers.

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Yeah. Usually I've heard from a lot of people that their teachers usually aren't supportive of applying to Oxbridge in state schools.

Reply 8

Fullofsurprises

Original post by jneill

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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/oct/13/oxbridge-fails-persuade-state-teachers-send-pupils-interview

The statistics tend to obscure some issues though - state-vs-private schooling isn't the only marker for inequality. Actually, when you look at household incomes as the indicator, all of Britain's top universities have become markedly less equal over the last 25 years and the Russell Group ones particularly so.

Reply 9

domaths

I knew it was 60% but I've always found the fact people skip over grammar school's overrepresentation at Oxbridge quite odd - there's representation problems inside the state sector too. Obviously, you'd expect grammar schools to have an edge on non selective state schools but then the same logic applies to private schools (which are often selective too - especially the ones famous for getting people into Oxbridge). I live near one of the most successful non selective sixth forms for Oxbridge entry but secret is like 10/20% of their cohort are originally from private school... However once applied the chances of someone getting in are reasonably similar independent of type of school which is fortunate

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Reply 10

Clearing and Applications Advisor

Original post by ♥Samantha♥

I already knew it was 60%, but in the general population 93% of students go to state schools, but that falls to 82% of sixth formers.

89% of all UK university entrants went to state school: https://www.hesa.ac.uk/data-and-analysis/performance-indicators/summary :cool:

Reply 11

Doones

Original post by PQ

89% of all UK university entrants went to state school: https://www.hesa.ac.uk/data-and-analysis/performance-indicators/summary :cool:

Ooh. Thanks.

Is there a chart showing state schooled university entrants % over time for Oxbridge, RG, and overall?

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Reply 12

Reality Check

Scary that one in ten respondents to this poll thought that the proportion of Oxbridge students educated at a state school was 10%.

Reply 13

elen90

What proportion of those state school students attended grammar schools, out of curiosity? Anyone know?

Reply 14

Clearing and Applications Advisor

Original post by jneill

Ooh. Thanks.

Is there a chart showing state schooled university entrants % over time for Oxbridge, RG, and overall?

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Not on the website - the data is all public domain but it's all in separate spreadsheets for each year.

And I'm a sad muppet so....

StateSchool Entrant % over time.PNG

Reply 15

Reality Check

Original post by PQ

Not on the website - the data is all public domain but it's all in separate spreadsheets for each year.

And I'm a sad muppet so....

StateSchool Entrant % over time.PNG

You just did those graphs, didn't you?

You can take the boy out of Oxbridge...

Reply 16

Clearing and Applications Advisor

Original post by Reality Check

You just did those graphs, didn't you?

You can take the boy out of Oxbridge...

a) I'm not a boy
b) I didn't go to oxbridge (I didn't even apply :eek3:

)

(but c) yes I did)

Reply 17

domaths

Original post by elen90

What proportion of those state school students attended grammar schools, out of curiosity? Anyone know?

From Sutton Trust here (http://www.suttontrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Oxbridge-Admissions-01.02.16.pdf) 20% of state school students at Oxbridge were from grammar schools, meaning overall they made up 12% of entrants. With only ~5% of students in UK attending grammar schools

Reply 18

Reality Check

Original post by PQ

a) I'm not a boy
b) I didn't go to oxbridge (I didn't even apply :eek3:

)

(but c) yes I did)

1 out of 3 ain't bad :smile:

Sorry for making assumptions. A bad habit, non? The graph is useful, by the way.

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Reply 19

Pars12

Original post by elen90

What proportion of those state school students attended grammar schools, out of curiosity? Anyone know?

Original post by Fullofsurprises

It always seems odd to me that grammar schools are lumped into the same category as comprehensive schools. I would have thought people interested in the education system would have looked into this one.