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Was being in the European union a form of treason?

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Original post by TheBigMan2
Was it in Ted Heaths manifesto? Thats like saying May can decide to never have a general election again


Have you ever heard of parliamentary supremacy?

You also need to explain why it was illegal.
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Original post by 999tigger
Have you ever heard of parliamentary supremacy?

You also need to explain why it was illegal.


Take a read of this

http://www.vernoncoleman.com/euillegally.html


Disagree with it. He didnt do anything illegal. he just goes on that he allegedly breached convention. Which goes back to the point, No he didnt commit treason.
Original post by TheBigMan2
Was it in Ted Heaths manifesto? Thats like saying May can decide to never have a general election again



Yes it

'A stronger Britain in the world'

was,http://www.conservativemanifesto.com/1970/1970-conservative-manifesto.shtml


I've also seen copies of The Times during the period where Heath was pretty clear about what it would entail
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Original post by Davij038
Yes it

'A stronger Britain in the world'

was,http://www.conservativemanifesto.com/1970/1970-conservative-manifesto.shtml


I've also seen copies of The Times during the period where Heath was pretty clear about what it would entail


Just a question what % of people read manifestos i will say 2%. The european union is a communist version of Nazi Germany. If any party from 1980 said they would take us out of the EU they would have won by a landslide
Original post by TheBigMan2
Just a question what % of people read manifestos i will say 2%. The european union is a communist version of Nazi Germany.


Sure and the UK is no different to North Korea.

(I don't think you understand what national socialism is let alone communism) - most far right and far left groups oppose the EU.


If any party from 1980 said they would take us out of the EU they would have won by a landslide


That's funny, because Michael Foot did just that and lost spectacularly,
Original post by TheBigMan2
Was we even legal members to start with? We was forced in the EU by Ted Heath in 1972, this breached constitutional convention - which means an election is needed due to constitutional change which we did not get until 1975 when the fist referendum was held. Thinking of it in this way we was voting to join something we had already joined.


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Original post by Davij038
Sure and the UK is no different to North Korea.

(I don't think you understand what national socialism is let alone communism) - most far right and far left groups oppose the EU.



That's funny, because Michael Foot did just that and lost spectacularly,


Foot was as bad a leader as you will get had it been someone more eloquent they would of won ie if blair said he would of took us out of the eu in 1997 he would have got over 50% of the votes
No.
Original post by TheBigMan2
Foot was as bad a leader as you will get had it been someone more eloquent they would of won ie if blair said he would of took us out of the eu in 1997 he would have got over 50% of the votes


With that argument we only went out of the EU because we had unpopular leaders. As for Hlsir taking us out of the EU- unlikely , new labour got into power by promising economic competence largely by following Tory spending plans. Pulling out of the single market would not have shown economic competence. Indeed, I'm struggling to see how it does now.

Sometimes when arguing you need to think from the other persons perspective and thus come out with better arguments.

I've disproved three of your claims now...
Original post by jmrochester
The EU and the European Court of Human Rights are not the same thing. A common uneducated leave voter, by the looks of things. Read a book please.


This sort of attitude is one if the reasons why we're out if the EU.

( I say this as somebody who voted remain)
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Original post by jmrochester
The EU was formed so things like 'Nazi Germany' didn't happen ever again. And wouldn't you know it, it hasn't. Please say you are just a troll. The St. George's flag is just a symbol of a racist now. Every time you see the flag you just know whoever bearing it is a racist. Poor poor George.


Its a England flag nithing racist about it at all grow up, to many liberals hatr England. I am english-this is off topic but i would let scotland and wales be independant so the hideous british flag is replaced with the england flag
David Cameron only proposed the referendum to try and stop Farage's popularity. He didn't think so many people would agree to leave. The EU has nothing to do with ECHR.
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Original post by Davij038
With that argument we only went out of the EU because we had unpopular leaders. As for Hlsir taking us out of the EU- unlikely , new labour got into power by promising economic competence largely by following Tory spending plans. Pulling out of the single market would not have shown economic competence. Indeed, I'm struggling to see how it does now.

Sometimes when arguing you need to think from the other persons perspective and thus come out with better arguments.

I've disproved three of your claims now...

I think the economic ties with the EU was good i made no secret about that, but socially it has been abysmal-how can you have a cohesive integrated society when 45 different languages are spoke on one housing estate. If you anonymously asked every british born citizen if they are racist through a ballot paper 60 percent would say yes. I think people put society ahead of the economy when making the decision. I would of voted remain if we could have vetoed the freedom of movement forever so we don't end up with Eastern European convicts who we can not stop coming
Original post by TheBigMan2
I think the economic ties with the EU was good i made no secret about that, but socially it has been abysmal-how can you have a cohesive integrated society when 45 different languages are spoke on one housing estate. If you anonymously asked every british born citizen if they are racist through a ballot paper 60 percent would say yes. I think people put society ahead of the economy when making the decision. I would of voted remain if we could have vetoed the freedom of movement forever so we don't end up with Eastern European convicts who we can not stop coming


People wouldn't say they were racist on a ballot Paper and I don't think generally most people in the UK would consider themselves racist.

eastern Europeans have for the most part integrated exceptionally well into British society. Most immigration into the U.K. Is a success. story.

Our problems with immigration are largely to do with a certain religious minority with a tendency to blow themselves up.
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Original post by Davij038
People wouldn't say they were racist on a ballot Paper and I don't think generally most people in the UK would consider themselves racist.

eastern Europeans have for the most part integrated exceptionally well into British society. Most immigration into the U.K. Is a success. story.

Our problems with immigration are largely to do with a certain religious minority with a tendency to blow themselves up.


Attacking islam is something for another topic i agree with the last comment. i have indian neigbours one side and polish the other not one of there big families can speak english and thats where the integration issues lie
Original post by TheBigMan2
Attacking islam is something for another topic i agree with the last comment. i have indian neigbours one side and polish the other not one of there big families can speak english and thats where the integration issues lie


Have you talked to them?

If that's important to you then fair enough. I also live on a council estate and both my neighbours are English but I'd personally rather not talk to them.
Original post by TheBigMan2
Attacking islam is something for another topic i agree with the last comment. i have indian neigbours one side and polish the other not one of there big families can speak english and thats where the integration issues lie


What about social recluses like me? I doubt you would get much conversation out of me as a neighbour.
It was treason, Edward Heath was told about it being treason by letter, which has recently been in the papers. This is what was in said letter.
Edward Heath's government deceive the British people when he held back the information within the letter. He went on to sign us into the EEC
However It was John Major who finished the job off with the maastricht treaty in 1991. He has signed away the rights to govern. He and Heath do not own the UK and therefor had no authority to give away what wasn't theirs. Law books when you have to go to court have references to how cases similar to yours were dealt with and they base the ruling on that. This should also be the case with the treasonous act of joining the EU. If you trickle though history, you will find Heaths government abolished beheading for treason, and in 1997 the death penalty for treason was abolished. They knew it would come back to bite them, so got rid of laws as they did not want to die if they were put on trial for treason.
Read the kilmiur document, you will see how the law was used in the past and should be the same now.
Never take anyones word for gospel truth, Take the information and research
Yup lots of treasonous acts have been perpetrated over the last 40 years by politicians in both mainstream parties. The 2-party political system is of course a complete sham. No matter whether you voted Tory or Labour, you were inadvertently voting for unseen, unelected EU masters who, using those puppets moved the UK into the EU bit by bit through stealth and skulduggery.

In doing so, they wilfully trampled on the "British Constitution" which comprises law and acts that have been in place for 100s of years like the Magna Carta and Bill Of Rights.

It absolutely IS TREASON to sell the sovereignty of a country and its justice system to a foreign power and thus every politician who had a hand in this HAS committed treason and should be put on trial for the same.
Sadly this also includes HM The Queen who has given Royal Assent to each of those fraudulent EU treaties.

The Queen swore a Coronation Oath in 1953, swearing to protect the country and uphold the law etc.

She has since given Royal Assent to treaties that transfer the sovereignty of this country to the EU powers and which transfer our justice system over to the EU to be superseded by the ECJ.

The penalty for treason WAS to be hung or otherwise sentenced to death, but Mr Blair and the Queen had that law changed recently so now it is just life imprisonment. Kinda handy eh?!

There was never any referendum for the populous to choose whether to give up our sovereignty and go into the EU.

Ted Heath fraudulently began the transfer process back in the 70s in an act of deception and then once the UK WAS in the EU, he gave them a referendum on whether or not to stay there, but in doing so, sold the concept of it just being membership of the Common Market, i.e. a trade situation.

The public were totally hoodwinked then and have been duped and sold down the river ever since by each EU stooge "Common Purpose" politician that we elected.

The entire system is corrupt from top down and the stooges have infiltrated every important facet of our society including government, judiciary, police forces, lawyers, NHS, Post Office and so on.

In effect, a war took place, as important and far reaching as WWII, but this time it took place by stealth, by the slow gradual supplanting of key people in key roles and by the fraudulent passing of treaties, law and legislation which totally walks all over the British Constitution.

All those involved SHOULD most definitely be tried for treason by a jury of honest, non-Common Purpose men and women.

BrExit is merely an initial process. As huge and far reaching as it may seem, it will be utterly meaningless and in vain if we then fail to properly re-establish the British Constitution and enshrine it in full law and legislation.

There also need to be a replacement of the monarchy for we can not continue with one that will not protect the sovereignty of the country. It is a nonsense. The monarchy should either be abolished altogether or replaced with a British one.

Of course most of this is largely academic because Common Purpose is now so prevalent, so far reaching and all-controlling that it can't really be opposed except by violent and bloody revolution. What we are currently witnessing is a total BrExit fudge because those conducting it all are EU stooges. It's a side show, a charade to attempt to preserve the illusion of democracy.

When BrExit doesn't happen though, the rational amongst the electorate will wake up and realise that there is little democracy and that election choices are all fixed and all support the same unseen unelected masters.

At present, the EU looks to be planning to use the Corbyn situation to further its ends. There is enough dumb support for this Marxist/Socialist nightmare of a party that they could see to it that Corbyn wins the next election on the proviso that he gives people a 2nd referendum.

Their primary problem is that they need to conduct this entire sham such that ordinary folk (idiots) don't see it for what it is and think the entire thing was a democratic selection by the people.

The Orwellian future is fast approaching.

OBEY !

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