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The left need to to learn from the right strategically.

SJW or leftist are simple pejorative term's but it has allowed what was once a movement that attempted to create a more just society sound like a bunch of whiny crybabies. I don't think many people would be calling the miners back yonder crybabies, at least not to their faces.

The left need to change style and stop playing to stereotypes thus letting the alt-right set a narrative. Maybe they should come up with counter terms like conservative injustice warrior or diet fascist.

Another thing is the best way to win an argument is discredit the other side, start attacking the right on how society is run and how they can be changed for the better rather than just calling them meanies and crying in the corner.
Original post by Scottish Person
SJW or leftist are simple pejorative term's but it has allowed what was once a movement that attempted to create a more just society sound like a bunch of whiny crybabies. I don't think many people would be calling the miners back yonder crybabies, at least not to their faces.

The left need to change style and stop playing to stereotypes thus letting the alt-right set a narrative. Maybe they should come up with counter terms like conservative injustice warrior or diet fascist.

Another thing is the best way to win an argument is discredit the other side, start attacking the right on how society is run and how they can be changed for the better rather than just calling them meanies and crying in the corner.


Comparing miners to modern SJWs is irrelevant mate.

The miners were true, non hypocritical leftists that were actually working class and suffered from globalisation, however the were generally social conservatives that hated the type of airy fairy "I sexually identify as a helicopter" ******** that is championed by the modern left.

The SJWs on the other hand, are middle class, attention seeking, champagne socialists that want an authoritarian state to enforce their beliefs, that isn't real socialism it's ****ing neo-Bolshevik shite, "real" socialism was practiced by Martov and the Mensheviks but everyone forgets them...

I have no love for the alt-right either but their criticism of SJWs and the modern left is perfectly legitimate and extremely accurate.

Now, I know you're a scot, so if you'd like me to explain any of these terms, feel free to ask.
What we need is a centre-wing party leader, then everyone will be represented.
Original post by Connor27
Comparing miners to modern SJWs is irrelevant mate.

The miners were true, non hypocritical leftists that were actually working class and suffered from globalisation, however the were generally social conservatives that hated the type of airy fairy "I sexually identify as a helicopter" ******** that is championed by the modern left.

The SJWs on the other hand, are middle class, attention seeking, champagne socialists that want an authoritarian state to enforce their beliefs, that isn't real socialism it's ****ing neo-Bolshevik shite, "real" socialism was practiced by Martov and the Mensheviks but everyone forgets them...

I have no love for the alt-right either but their criticism of SJWs and the modern left is perfectly legitimate and extremely accurate.

Now, I know you're a scot, so if you'd like me to explain any of these terms, feel free to ask.


People have always been weird, our society is less socially authoritarian and modern communication with technology now which lets "I sexually identify as a twilight wolf" types free to say the weirdest **** and not expect to be burned at the stake. Of course I would rather have this social freedom with it's trade off's than being told some politician doesn't like the idea of gay marriage so lets have it banned. Besides I find the strange views funny until they get obnoxious.

The internet lets the loudest and weirdest take center stage. This creates an amplifying effect of extremes and let's **** like the weirdest SJW's seem like an accurate portrayal of the left when it isn't. I could say Trump supporters are like Alex Jones (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FutIJ24jCnE) who was actually endorsed by Trump but that's not true either, few people are that crazy. At least I hope.
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Original post by Scottish Person
People have always been weird, our society is less socially authoritarian and modern communication with technology now which lets "I sexually identify as a twilight wolf" types free to say the weirdest **** and not expect to be burned at the stake. Of course I would rather have this social freedom with it's trade off's than being told some politician doesn't like the idea of gay marriage so lets have it banned. Besides I find the strange views funny until they get obnoxious.

The internet lets the loudest and weirdest take center stage. This creates an amplifying effect of extremes and let's **** like the weirdest SJW's seem like an accurate portrayal of the left when it isn't. I could say Trump supporters are like Alex Jones (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FutIJ24jCnE) who was actually endorsed by Trump but that's not true either, few people are that crazy. At least I hope.


You hot the nail on the head with how you describe society in some Countries. Apart from the red part I agree entirely.

People are going to extremes either, because they have some medical condition, metal problem or they want to grab people's attention. I agree that it can be be funny however, everybody is expected to accept these "weird" things and it is becoming more normal as time goes by. I have no problem with a person who is happy and they can live their lives how they want and they shouldn't be judged. However, they will be judged if they publicise it to many people who simply find it weird!

Alex Jones and his "theories" that many people simply can't understand or even begin to understand, is a person who seems to even not be liked by other so called "conspiracy theorists" from the alternative media. So the guy really struggles although InfoWars have many followers. The truth his.. he makes sense! Anyway i will leave it at this for now.. got to shoot
Actually the alt-right is what happens when right-wingers finally grow a brain and start using leftist tactics against them.


Leftists have been constantly using buzzwords like ''racist'' or ''bigot'' to shut down debate for decades, but they can't handle the flak when the new right calls them SJW's or cucks.
We need to go back to basics. It's incredibly frustrating that economic justice seems to be taking a backseat in modern leftist politics. Of course social justice is important, but arguably we won that war decades ago. Obviously there's still room for progress, but now it seems as if the more progress we make, the more we try to shout people down. It's no wonder the very people who we on the left are supposed to stand up for are turning to the right for economic solutions.

It also couldn't be clearer that we need to ditch that miserable scoundrel Corbyn. Forthwith. That pathetic milquetoast is not suited for leading the leftist cause this country needs right now. Both him and his delusional cabal of self-righteous liberal acolytes can piss right off. Just this week, the authoritarian shower of bastards we call a government pushed through"the most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy", and where was Corbyn? I mean, literally, where was he? Because he sure as hell wasn't in Parliament casting his vote. Get a grip, lefties. It was a nice idea but this despicable bottled spider is not our leader.
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The success of the right over the last few years is down to, very simply,, the oldest trick in the book where politics is considered; Othering.

In immigrants, benefit cheats, etc the right have found very useful tools on which to deflect peoples anger and misery while they crack kn doing what they have always done, ignoring the public so they can continue to line the pockets of themselves and their freinds.

The left need to learn from that but only in so far as to avoid doi g it themselves. Blaming the political and financial establishment may be more accurate than the rights tactic of blaming people with nothing but that isnt the way forward.

The left needs to learn to make a positive case, it needs to learn how to translate its ideas into things normal people can get behind and buy into. The problem of course being that so much of 'the left' is not very left wing at all.
Original post by Captain Haddock
We need to go back to basics. It's incredibly frustrating that economic justice seems to be taking a backseat in modern leftist politics. Of course social justice is important, but arguably we won that war decades ago.


I don't think that is problem of the left. It is more a problem of liberalism vs socialism. Liberalism has no interest in then kind of economic justice you are talking about. Socilasts have just been happy (by which I mean they have had choice what with being so weak) to tag along with the liberal political forces that promoted social liberalism in the last few decades. Also due to what is happening at the moment it is important to be on guard for attacks against social liberalism with the gains authoritarian right populism is making right now.

Also I agree about Corbyn but who do we replace him with? Owen Smith? If I had had a vote I would not have voted for Owen Smith as that would be handing back power to the liberals who think they can just act out the 90s again. If I had a magic wand I would be quite happy to replace Corbyn with someone like Clive Lewis. This also brings up the problem of messiah syndrome. The left can not just rely on strong leaders. Obama is a good leader, yet he got hardly anything left wing done, even if he wanted to he just couldn't. Socialism relies on strong horizontal organisation. Good leaders are important but they are far from the only piece of the jigsaw that is required.
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Original post by ChaoticButterfly
I don't think that is problem of the left. It is more a problem of liberalism vs socialism. Liberalism has no interest in then kind of economic justice you are talking about. Socilasts have just been happy (by which I mean they have had choice what with being so weak) to tag along with the liberal political forces that promoted social liberalism in the last few decades. Also due to what is happening at the moment it is important to be on guard for attacks against social liberalism with the gains authoritarian right populism is making right now.

Also I agree about Corbyn but who do we replace him with? Owen Smith? If I had had a vote I would not have voted for Owen Smith as that would be handing back power to the liberals who think they can just act out the 90s again. If I had a magic wand I would be quite happy to replace Corbyn with someone like Clive Lewis. This also brings up the problem of messiah syndrome. The left can not just rely on strong leaders. Obama is a good leader, yet he got hardly anything left wing done, even if he wanted to he just couldn't. Socialism relies on strong horizontal organisation. Good leaders are important but they are far from the only piece of the jigsaw that is required.


Don't call identity politics liberalism, I'm a classical liberal and that **** is as far away from my political views as is humanly possible.

It's called social "progressivism" (should be regressivism)

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