[Fred]

Kent and Bucks 11+ Verbal Reasoning Practice Papers

Now available from:

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[The Technical M]

Fred wrote:

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[q1]> Now available from:[/q1]
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[q1]> The Internet Primary School Ltd http://www.ipsuk.netfirms.com/[/q1]

What exactly is the purpose of this verbal reasoning test ? I have seen the test papers before and
to me it looks like some completely strange and pointless concept.

[Gordon Moore]

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[q2]> > The Internet Primary School Ltd http://www.ipsuk.netfirms.com/[/q2]
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[q1]> What exactly is the purpose of this verbal reasoning test ? I have seen the test papers before and[/q1]
[q1]> to me it looks like some completely strange and pointless concept.[/q1]

If I understand these right, it is to provide practice for doing "ability" tests such as 11+,
MIDYIS, CATs and in year 10 YELLIS.

These tests provide information upon a child's intrinsic abilities in the cognitive domains of
verbal, quantitative and non-verbal reasoning (or some similar wording).

From the results, it is possible that one can predict what the probabilities are of a pupil gaining
a particular level at the end of KS2(?), KS3 tests and grades at GCSE.

Some feel that it is not really possible to teach these abilities, others feel that these practice
papers can improve performance on these tests.

They are used to provide a measure of "value added" by measuring the residual (i.e. the statistical
difference) between what the most likely projected grade is and the actual obtained.

This does not of course take into account any other pertinent factors to do with a child's progress
such as affect or attendence or personal problems.

Is it fair to measure teachers' performance in this way?

Gordon

[User 1951]

On 12 Apr 2002 0236 -0700, gordonfmoore@yahoo.co.uk (Gordon Moore) wrote:

[q1]>Is it fair to measure teachers' performance in this way?[/q1]

Each pupil has just the one teacher? The teachers never pool ideas or work as a team? The teacher is
the only factor in the child's improved performance? All teachers have the same opportunities to
"add value"?

Performance related pay is immoral, counterproductive and inequitable.

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On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 0541 GMT, user1951@hotmai.com (User 1951) wrote:

[q1]>On 12 Apr 2002 0236 -0700, gordonfmoore@yahoo.co.uk (Gordon Moore) wrote:[/q1]
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[q2]>>Is it fair to measure teachers' performance in this way?[/q2]
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[q1]>Each pupil has just the one teacher? The teachers never pool ideas or work as a team? The teacher[/q1]
[q1]>is the only factor in the child's improved performance? All teachers have the same opportunities to[/q1]
[q1]>"add value"?[/q1]
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[q1]>Performance related pay is immoral, counterproductive and inequitable.[/q1]

Sack bad teachers. Train moderate teachers to become good teachers. Pay good teachers huge
amounts of money.