The Somali Society

I was bored so I went and did some researching(google) and apparently we somalis are decendants of the Shemsu Hor(primordial egyptians from the mystical land of punt=current somalia).

So we aren't actually a mix of arab and african or any other strange myths we're actually ancient Egyptians!(not that it changes much)

Anyway what kind of government do you think somalia should form, communism/democracy?, republican/monarchy?.

personally what I think we could do is to abolish any form of national recognition towards different clans they just cause unnecessary segregation, use modern agricultural techniques, proper artificial fertilization and form partnerships with china, Russia to build nuclear reactors in exchange for cheaper mining(taxed).

Of course it's incomplete and idealistic but I do believe we could form such a government as long as we can unite all the clans.(barbaric opposition will need to be dealt with firmly e.g. extremist groups can be handled by military action.

But the 1st step would be to form a legitimate government, and a judicial system to prevent international waste in our seas and prevent fishing which causes us to lose 300m a year in fish.(So in that case pirates have actually helped somalia by deterring theft of fish and nuclear waste)

lol beat me to it

In one word; justice.

In my opinion, it won't bring justice. It's more to do with their hatred of his clan. Afterall, why did the 'landers elect Dahir Riyale Kahin as president? He was also a high ranking member of Barre's regime and probably responsible for more deaths than Samantar. From what I hear Kahin was responsible for the torturing that was happening.

Also, with psychological tests such as milgram experiment and stanford stanford prison experiment, to what extent can we blame him?

I am guesing this is not a somaliland friendly thread?

No, we accept everyone

I may have taken your statement in the wrong way but...

Are you saying that Dahir Riyale Kahin is Isaaq? And that's why he was elected as president despite his crimes

Oh, its just looking through some on the comments, some people do not seem to like Somaliland which i am a staunch supporter of

Oh, its just looking through some on the comments, some people do not seem to like Somaliland which i am a staunch supporter of

Nah. Saying it's because Samantar wasn't Isaaq and a member of a opposing tribe that they've decided to prosecute him. If they wanted justice, they'd arrest Dahir Riyale Kahin but they didn't nor do they want to. It was in the past and they forgave him. Why can't Samantar be forgiven?

What kind of government would you like in Somaliland? A more secular, democratic (capitalist/socialist?) or a more Islamic one?

I was surprised when you said it's a secular state. I looked and it isn't:

Article 5: Religion*

1. Islam is the religion of the Somaliland state[12], and the promotion of any religion in the territory of Somaliland, other than Islam, is prohibited.

2.The laws of the nation shall be grounded on and shall not be contrary to Islamic Sharia.

3.The state shall promote religious tenets (religious affairs) and shall fulfil Sharia principles and discourage immoral acts and reprehensible behaviour.

4. The calendar shall be the Islamic Calendar based on the hijra, and the Gregorian Calendar.

http://www.somalilandlaw.com/Somaliland_Constitution/body_somaliland_constitution.htm

But, I think that's for show akin to Dubai but wether it's for show isn't important given it's violated many rights just for show, which makes it more reprehensible. Still, A LOT better than Somalia.

Oh, I didnt know that! lol so thats what my dad was on about; He loves somaliland but he says it has a long way to go and even though it doesnt stone people it is officially a muslim state. He wants that to change and as we progress hopefully it will. But there is no stoning and cutting off hands ect. Although preaching other faiths is not allowed. But they are also trying really hard to curb extremism in mosques, even though those 'lovely' arab dictators love pumping money into the pockets of extremists! Its a lot more secular then other muslim countries though like saudi.

Where are you from?

I doubt Somaliland don't stone people, they probably do but due it being for show, it's rare.

Not sure what you mean so i'll just state both options. Half Somali (father)/half 'lander or London.

PS, are you a Muslim (wouldn't normally ask this due to receiving a obvious answer but on TSR the ratio of Somali Muslims to non-muslims is pretty equal)?

They dont stone people in Somaliland!!

i would consider myself a confused Muslim looking for answers lol. Wow so many non-muslim somali's! Are you muslim? your posts confuse me

Your right: http://www.hiiraan.com/op2/2011/jan/somaliland_an_alleged_sexual_deviant_gets_his_day_in_court.aspx

Nah, i am not a Muslim. I thought I was a anomaly, turns out I am not, at least on the net.

Yh, there are a lot of ex Muslims on tsr its quite shocking because when your a kid you believe all muslims stay muslims lol. But i always discuss Islam and the validity of the quran ect with my friends and family. My dads Muslim but he does not believe the quran is the unaltered word of God quite contradictory i know.

Lol, i know. I only ever heard of one somali ex-muslim (Ayan hirsi) growing up and she didn't do much good for the cause being a liar and all. If I ever do decide to tell my parents, I can imagine her face and her connotations will be projected onto me. Interesting, what sect does your dad belong to?