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allisandro
oh right, i misunderstood. made it sound like you could practise as soon as you graduated, i get it now 
In theory you can practise in some aspects of psychology with just the degree-like counselling but they are trying to regulate it all the branches under different boards so that a standard can be set in each profession.
well, a BSc in psychology is pretty much useless in the area of psychology, unless you get a doctorate or something. otherwise, psychology is just like a normal degree...it's transferable. but the chances of being highly successful from it is low. i'm doing psychology, but i'm going onto postgrad....you can always teach psych, lol
BlueAngel
Im currently doing a psychology degree, but my lecturer today told us that doing a Psychology degree is useless, and he was being serious.
So those with a psychology degree, what sort of careers and jobs do u have? Is it difficult in terms of popularity to get the job u want?
So those with a psychology degree, what sort of careers and jobs do u have? Is it difficult in terms of popularity to get the job u want?
I did a psychology degree, past 2:1 approx 6 years ago......worked for the NHS as a Clinical psychology assisstant ever since then......realized soon after that most of my day was spent chasing Social Services and conducting home visits.....was paid about £18,000 (same as a NHS secretary)....got quite annoyed.....my senior colleagues had been working in the field for about 12-15yrs before they were paid anything decent. Decided to do a Law degree.....doing that now.....hopefully it will be more of a success than Psychology. My personal belief is that Psychology is quite over rated.....most people have the Fraser view about it....nice office...couch..etc in reality it's dealing with broken families and drug addicts, initially it feels great your actually making a difference (at least you think you are)...then a time comes when you realise it's pointless helping those who clearly cannt or do not want to help themselves.......
I did psychology and criminology and its been five years and i still dont have a job directly related to my degrees or any job--but then again i had a criminal record --but i still have to pay 30k in loans
From my experience psychology is one of the worst majors to choose
First they dont even teach the right cirriculum specially for BA's
How many courses or even role playing exercises did we do to understand how to discipline kids/mentall ill ? zero
How many couses or assignments dealt with fundraising or the business aspects of running a non -profit agency ? zero
Mostly, they dont even teach the skills that are even relevant--we are suppose to pick up disciplining techs on our own ?
Last, they dont offer any practical experience to help you develop the skills that are needed to obtain a case worker position, youth worker jobs etc.
Heres a list of job that you can obtain with BA: psych
Account Executive-reqs courses in business Labor Relations Specialist-reqs human resources degree of diploma
Crisis Intervention Counselor-MA Psychiatrist--phd medicine
International Student Advisor-Ma Art Therapist-Ma
Probation Officer-gov job got to know someone Customer Service Representative-lol anyone can get this type of work
Activity Leader--basically babysitting Market Research Analyst--telephone sales ?
School Counselor_ma, counselling psych Psychologist--phd
Job Developer--need certification employment counsellor Assistant Account Executive--sounds like business--how is this related to psych ?
Professional Employment Recruiter--hr degree of diploma Customs/Immigrations Officer--criminology
Admissions Evaluator--? Marketing/Sales Manager--anyone can do it ?
Vocational Counselor --employment counselling certification Public Health Statistician--ma or phd stats
Junior Market Analyst Financial Aid Director
Program Developer Nurse--with a psych degree lol
Advertising Career Planning Professional--employment counselling ?
Creative Director EEO/AA Specialist
Public Opinion Surveyor Media Buyer
Child Psychologis-phdt Corrections Officer--need corrections course
Employee Assistance Director Food and Beverage Manager
Media Planner Operations Manager
Public Relations Statistical Analyst
College Student Affairs Professional Correctional Caseworker
Employee/Labor Relations Manager Health Club Manager
Mental Health Coordinator Personnel Assistant
Recreation Specialist--youth worker certifcation Teacher--teaching degree and appropriate subject area
Community and Social Service Worker Cottage Parent
Employment Agency Counselor Health Educator
Minority Group & Race Relations Specialist Personnel Interviewer
Regulatory Administrator Technical Writer/Communicator
Community Relations Director Counselor: Alcohol/Drug-Ma, addiction certification
Ergonomist Hospice Coordinator
Motivational Researcher Personnel Manager
Sales Representative Television/Media Research
Community Relations Representative Counselor: Career
Expressive Therapist Hotel Management
Music Therapist Physical Therapist-degree in physical therapy or ma
Social Service Administrator Training & Development Professional-hr
Copywriter Guidance Counselor-ma counselling
Social Worker--social work degree of diploma Human Resources Professional-hr
Corporate Merchandising Manager Press Liaison
Financial Advisor Wage/Benefits Analyst
Occupational Therapist--ma, occ. therapy Occupational Counselor
Sociologist Human Resources Administrator-hr
Youth Corrections Officer-psych/corrections training. Prisoner Classification Interviewer
so how many of these jobs can you get directly with a BA
Zero
Some arent even related to psych degree: occupational therapist ? account manager ? teacher ?
And how much of the current curriculum in psychology is dedicated to providing the skills for these jobs ? zero without an MA or additional courses/diplomas ?
This article says the same thing
A Bloated Minor: "Off-track" Psychology BA, BS Offer No Inroads into Career World
This is the second in a series of reports expanding on each of the points in my original 16-points memo. This report explores the value of the baccalaureate (or bachelor's degree) in Psychology as a foundation for post-collegiate employment.
Career opportunities for the holder of a Bachelor of Arts (B.A.) or Science (B.S.) in Psychology are more limited than those available to graduates with comparable degrees in other (major) areas of study. It is not uncommon to find psychology department web sites advertising links labeled "Career Opportunities." I find these misleading. While the vast majority of the jobs featured on these web sites are jobs for which psychology majors are invited to apply, these are neither psychologistic jobs nor do these employers restrict application to graduates with a degree in Psychology. I mean, you can almost see the stretchmarks, as psych profs attempt to impress upon their students this oft-strained relationship between functions in the job description and peripheral skills (e.g., critical thinking skills or research design skills) arguably refined by plodding through the pile of loose rock and rubble that is the psych curriculum. Compared to the cornucopia of major-specific jobs for graduates with degrees in marketing and biology, the jobs available to psychology graduates tend to be universally available to graduates of all majors, including those graduates for whom degrees in philosophy and english are widely regarded as self-inflicted wounds. Contrary to the perceptions managed by psych professors, the psychology major does not blaze a trail into a labor market wilderness. The only labor market psychology BAs and BSs will ever know is not open-ended, and the unfortunate, if not unfriendly, fact about the BA or BS in Psychology is that he or she is neither niched nor modular. To find any meaningful employment, they will have to rely on qualities and decisions that have nothing to do with the package of skills and knowledge they acquired in fulfillment of requirements for their major[I]. To phrase this another way, they will have to set aside their persona as a psychology major and assert themselves as individuals. Unfortunately, from time to time, the media fosters the myth of psychology-related employment.
Exatly, to find employment with a psych degree we have to rely on skills that arent gained by majoring in psych
ie. teaching(I guess most psych majors go overseas and teach esl rather than teaching highschool? ), occ therapist, account manager
From my experience psychology is one of the worst majors to choose
First they dont even teach the right cirriculum specially for BA's
How many courses or even role playing exercises did we do to understand how to discipline kids/mentall ill ? zero
How many couses or assignments dealt with fundraising or the business aspects of running a non -profit agency ? zero
Mostly, they dont even teach the skills that are even relevant--we are suppose to pick up disciplining techs on our own ?
Last, they dont offer any practical experience to help you develop the skills that are needed to obtain a case worker position, youth worker jobs etc.
Heres a list of job that you can obtain with BA: psych
Account Executive-reqs courses in business Labor Relations Specialist-reqs human resources degree of diploma
Crisis Intervention Counselor-MA Psychiatrist--phd medicine
International Student Advisor-Ma Art Therapist-Ma
Probation Officer-gov job got to know someone Customer Service Representative-lol anyone can get this type of work
Activity Leader--basically babysitting Market Research Analyst--telephone sales ?
School Counselor_ma, counselling psych Psychologist--phd
Job Developer--need certification employment counsellor Assistant Account Executive--sounds like business--how is this related to psych ?
Professional Employment Recruiter--hr degree of diploma Customs/Immigrations Officer--criminology
Admissions Evaluator--? Marketing/Sales Manager--anyone can do it ?
Vocational Counselor --employment counselling certification Public Health Statistician--ma or phd stats
Junior Market Analyst Financial Aid Director
Program Developer Nurse--with a psych degree lol
Advertising Career Planning Professional--employment counselling ?
Creative Director EEO/AA Specialist
Public Opinion Surveyor Media Buyer
Child Psychologis-phdt Corrections Officer--need corrections course
Employee Assistance Director Food and Beverage Manager
Media Planner Operations Manager
Public Relations Statistical Analyst
College Student Affairs Professional Correctional Caseworker
Employee/Labor Relations Manager Health Club Manager
Mental Health Coordinator Personnel Assistant
Recreation Specialist--youth worker certifcation Teacher--teaching degree and appropriate subject area
Community and Social Service Worker Cottage Parent
Employment Agency Counselor Health Educator
Minority Group & Race Relations Specialist Personnel Interviewer
Regulatory Administrator Technical Writer/Communicator
Community Relations Director Counselor: Alcohol/Drug-Ma, addiction certification
Ergonomist Hospice Coordinator
Motivational Researcher Personnel Manager
Sales Representative Television/Media Research
Community Relations Representative Counselor: Career
Expressive Therapist Hotel Management
Music Therapist Physical Therapist-degree in physical therapy or ma
Social Service Administrator Training & Development Professional-hr
Copywriter Guidance Counselor-ma counselling
Social Worker--social work degree of diploma Human Resources Professional-hr
Corporate Merchandising Manager Press Liaison
Financial Advisor Wage/Benefits Analyst
Occupational Therapist--ma, occ. therapy Occupational Counselor
Sociologist Human Resources Administrator-hr
Youth Corrections Officer-psych/corrections training. Prisoner Classification Interviewer
so how many of these jobs can you get directly with a BA
Zero
Some arent even related to psych degree: occupational therapist ? account manager ? teacher ?
And how much of the current curriculum in psychology is dedicated to providing the skills for these jobs ? zero without an MA or additional courses/diplomas ?
This article says the same thing
A Bloated Minor: "Off-track" Psychology BA, BS Offer No Inroads into Career World
This is the second in a series of reports expanding on each of the points in my original 16-points memo. This report explores the value of the baccalaureate (or bachelor's degree) in Psychology as a foundation for post-collegiate employment.
Career opportunities for the holder of a Bachelor of Arts (B.A.) or Science (B.S.) in Psychology are more limited than those available to graduates with comparable degrees in other (major) areas of study. It is not uncommon to find psychology department web sites advertising links labeled "Career Opportunities." I find these misleading. While the vast majority of the jobs featured on these web sites are jobs for which psychology majors are invited to apply, these are neither psychologistic jobs nor do these employers restrict application to graduates with a degree in Psychology. I mean, you can almost see the stretchmarks, as psych profs attempt to impress upon their students this oft-strained relationship between functions in the job description and peripheral skills (e.g., critical thinking skills or research design skills) arguably refined by plodding through the pile of loose rock and rubble that is the psych curriculum. Compared to the cornucopia of major-specific jobs for graduates with degrees in marketing and biology, the jobs available to psychology graduates tend to be universally available to graduates of all majors, including those graduates for whom degrees in philosophy and english are widely regarded as self-inflicted wounds. Contrary to the perceptions managed by psych professors, the psychology major does not blaze a trail into a labor market wilderness. The only labor market psychology BAs and BSs will ever know is not open-ended, and the unfortunate, if not unfriendly, fact about the BA or BS in Psychology is that he or she is neither niched nor modular. To find any meaningful employment, they will have to rely on qualities and decisions that have nothing to do with the package of skills and knowledge they acquired in fulfillment of requirements for their major[I]. To phrase this another way, they will have to set aside their persona as a psychology major and assert themselves as individuals. Unfortunately, from time to time, the media fosters the myth of psychology-related employment.
Exatly, to find employment with a psych degree we have to rely on skills that arent gained by majoring in psych
ie. teaching(I guess most psych majors go overseas and teach esl rather than teaching highschool? ), occ therapist, account manager
Ok thanks everyone. Well I've finished my first year of psychology, and yes there is no relevance to employment, I mean memorising theories, waste of bloody time. I did look into this before I started the degree, I really would love to go further in clinical or educational psychology, but now I know its very very difficult to get a job in clinical.
A Phd sounds good, but I must have a First for that, which is what I'm aiming for, if I dont get a First, I think I will cry and die. So far, Im doing well, my marks are majority above 70%, but the essays let me down.
Danny 411 - you say Psychology is the worst degree to do, but I recon psychology can get you job in any field, you get loads of skills doing this degree, as it includes reporting, computing, maths, analysing, presenting. I guess most of this all comes down to the amount of experience you have, Ive been searching for some work experience this year in mental health and couldnt find any.
Anyway, Good luck to anyone who is doing psychology.
A Phd sounds good, but I must have a First for that, which is what I'm aiming for, if I dont get a First, I think I will cry and die. So far, Im doing well, my marks are majority above 70%, but the essays let me down.
Danny 411 - you say Psychology is the worst degree to do, but I recon psychology can get you job in any field, you get loads of skills doing this degree, as it includes reporting, computing, maths, analysing, presenting. I guess most of this all comes down to the amount of experience you have, Ive been searching for some work experience this year in mental health and couldnt find any.
Anyway, Good luck to anyone who is doing psychology.
I know 2 relatively recent Psych graduates. One works in events management, one works for a top London marketing firm. Both are graduate-entry positions. Neither of them are specifically related to their degrees, but they both love their jobs. Psychology isn't necessarily vocational (just like a lot of other subjects: English, History, Philosophy...) but it doesn't mean you can't find a job where your skills as a graduate are needed.
Oh, bull****. If you love what you study, then you are good at it (and by good I don't mean necessarily a straight 1st student, but someone who can make a difference) and you can find a way to use your degree. I don't give a damn about employment stats, I love my subject and I would not trade it for any other major available. You learn stats, critical thinking, philosophy, biology, some pharmacology, computing it overlaps with loads of other disciplines, you cannot tell me it's not flexible and useful.
My auntie has a Psychology degree, she lives in London now working as a Film Editor for the BBC (used to be director for Crimewatch). Pretty succesful for somebody brought up in Merseyside.
Whilst Psychology has little practical application (relatively little) a degree is a degree.
Saying that, my sister is doing Psychology and Criminology because she wants to be a psychologist who talks to criminals so I guess Psychology is good for that. Seems as if Psychology is the female subject in my family, though my Mum has a History degree, bah knows.
My advice: Ask to change degrees to Maths, it's the best way
Whilst Psychology has little practical application (relatively little) a degree is a degree.
Saying that, my sister is doing Psychology and Criminology because she wants to be a psychologist who talks to criminals so I guess Psychology is good for that. Seems as if Psychology is the female subject in my family, though my Mum has a History degree, bah knows.
My advice: Ask to change degrees to Maths, it's the best way
oh, its very useful
just like those self help books at the library
but for me i had criminal record and wasnt told that i would have problems getting work. In fact,my psych advisor told me that many people with criminal record are working in the field. But what i found out was i couldnt get a job at all "no practicuum, no work experience" nothing.
Im not sure if im looking in the right areas. I usually look a rec centers, program coordinators, employment counsellor
I have applied for jobs as parole officer, corrections
Looked into taking additional courses for youth corrections, youth worker, probation, private eye,sheriff
Not sure if the gov or police would take me with my previous criminal record and super spotty work history--ie. i couldnt get work for ten years
I dont want to work with developmentally disabled
Im sure im doing a poor job of finding work
Maybe i should apply to any job that reqs a BA
If anyone can help me focus job search i would appreciate
just like those self help books at the library
but for me i had criminal record and wasnt told that i would have problems getting work. In fact,my psych advisor told me that many people with criminal record are working in the field. But what i found out was i couldnt get a job at all "no practicuum, no work experience" nothing.
Im not sure if im looking in the right areas. I usually look a rec centers, program coordinators, employment counsellor
I have applied for jobs as parole officer, corrections
Looked into taking additional courses for youth corrections, youth worker, probation, private eye,sheriff
Not sure if the gov or police would take me with my previous criminal record and super spotty work history--ie. i couldnt get work for ten years
I dont want to work with developmentally disabled
Im sure im doing a poor job of finding work
Maybe i should apply to any job that reqs a BA
If anyone can help me focus job search i would appreciate
its totally worthless
here iam i owe 30k and i have had exactly zero interviews in my fields : psych/crim
I have no money, and live on and off the streets
great degree
everyone i know that took a courses other than university got great jobs
chinese med, x ray tech, travel agent, insurance etc.
everyone i know including my barber offers to help
Why dont u try this and that ? and i say because i cant get any more student loans--so im ****en stuck in this ****
here iam i owe 30k and i have had exactly zero interviews in my fields : psych/crim
I have no money, and live on and off the streets
great degree
everyone i know that took a courses other than university got great jobs
chinese med, x ray tech, travel agent, insurance etc.
everyone i know including my barber offers to help
Why dont u try this and that ? and i say because i cant get any more student loans--so im ****en stuck in this ****
I remember when I was at college 5 years ago, we had a women come in and give a talk on psychology. She advised against studying it because of the job situation, as has been mentioned in this thread. She proved her own point by saying she has a psychology degree and the only job she could get was going around schools telling people about what is and isn't good to study at university.
Personally I think psyhology is a good degree but there needs to be more information about psychology careers in admission books. You should always check that the course is an accrediated course and know that you will be expected to have several years of work experience before being accepted onto a masters/phd course. It makes a considerable differnece to get experience when at uni (but this is beginning to apply to any course these days). If you enjoy psychology and you want to do it, do it, enjoy it and get a good grade.
NikNak
I remember when I was at college 5 years ago, we had a women come in and give a talk on psychology. She advised against studying it because of the job situation, as has been mentioned in this thread. She proved her own point by saying she has a psychology degree and the only job she could get was going around schools telling people about what is and isn't good to study at university.
Does this not apply to most non-vocational uni courses though? (Genuinely curious here). What about English, History, etc? None of these lead straight to jobs but it doesn't mean you can't get a decent job with them (+ experience/extra curriculars), as illustrated in my earlier post. Surely it's not just Psychology that has this 'problem'?
danny411
its totally worthless
here iam i owe 30k and i have had exactly zero interviews in my fields : psych/crim
I have no money, and live on and off the streets
great degree
everyone i know that took a courses other than university got great jobs
chinese med, x ray tech, travel agent, insurance etc.
everyone i know including my barber offers to help
Why dont u try this and that ? and i say because i cant get any more student loans--so im ****en stuck in this ****
here iam i owe 30k and i have had exactly zero interviews in my fields : psych/crim
I have no money, and live on and off the streets
great degree
everyone i know that took a courses other than university got great jobs
chinese med, x ray tech, travel agent, insurance etc.
everyone i know including my barber offers to help
Why dont u try this and that ? and i say because i cant get any more student loans--so im ****en stuck in this ****
To be honest there are people who also have psychology degrees who have good jobs I dont see why oyu cant seem to get one? Maybe you should go to the job centre and get some advice from there.
Didnt you read my posts ?
I said i had a criminal record till i got a pardon in 2004
This prevented me from getting work experience in school.
Withouth work experience and mostly practicuums I cant get a job
I cant go back to my former school and ask them to give me a practicuum.
Oh, i have been in over ten work based programs to help me find work since i graduated and nothing has helped
Today, the lady at the employment center said "unversity students like me feel they are entitled to jobs because they have got their degrees and this is the problem"
So the employment center is really helping me change my attitude so i can accept minimum wage jobs that are unrelated to my degree
Still minumum wage doesnt cut it --I dont get the experience necissary to get better jobs in my field or any better job
I said i had a criminal record till i got a pardon in 2004
This prevented me from getting work experience in school.
Withouth work experience and mostly practicuums I cant get a job
I cant go back to my former school and ask them to give me a practicuum.
Oh, i have been in over ten work based programs to help me find work since i graduated and nothing has helped
Today, the lady at the employment center said "unversity students like me feel they are entitled to jobs because they have got their degrees and this is the problem"
So the employment center is really helping me change my attitude so i can accept minimum wage jobs that are unrelated to my degree
Still minumum wage doesnt cut it --I dont get the experience necissary to get better jobs in my field or any better job
danny411
Didnt you read my posts ?
I said i had a criminal record till i got a pardon in 2004
This prevented me from getting work experience in school.
Withouth work experience and mostly practicuums I cant get a job
I cant go back to my former school and ask them to give me a practicuum.
Oh, i have been in over ten work based programs to help me find work since i graduated and nothing has helped
Today, the lady at the employment center said "unversity students like me feel they are entitled to jobs because they have got their degrees and this is the problem"
So the employment center is really helping me change my attitude so i can accept minimum wage jobs that are unrelated to my degree
Still minumum wage doesnt cut it --I dont get the experience necissary to get better jobs in my field or any better job
I said i had a criminal record till i got a pardon in 2004
This prevented me from getting work experience in school.
Withouth work experience and mostly practicuums I cant get a job
I cant go back to my former school and ask them to give me a practicuum.
Oh, i have been in over ten work based programs to help me find work since i graduated and nothing has helped
Today, the lady at the employment center said "unversity students like me feel they are entitled to jobs because they have got their degrees and this is the problem"
So the employment center is really helping me change my attitude so i can accept minimum wage jobs that are unrelated to my degree
Still minumum wage doesnt cut it --I dont get the experience necissary to get better jobs in my field or any better job
Then unfortunatly becuase of your record you have to work your way from the bottom. you still have your degree so you will have to put the time in to getting the experience to get onto a masters, otherwise look for jobs outside the field.
BlueAngel
Im currently doing a psychology degree, but my lecturer today told us that doing a Psychology degree is useless, and he was being serious.
So those with a psychology degree, what sort of careers and jobs do u have? Is it difficult in terms of popularity to get the job u want?
So those with a psychology degree, what sort of careers and jobs do u have? Is it difficult in terms of popularity to get the job u want?
Some employers don't really look at what degree you got, just that you have studied at degree level of some sort and got a degree from it is enough to get a job. Also, psychology can relate to so many things these days, you can use it in just about anything, so don't worry about that. If you enjoy doing the degree there's no reason why you can't do it.
I've just been reading a job guide on a AS Psychology disc, it is saying things like;
So, according to the CD, a psychology degree is like another key which unlocks even more doors
Some of the jobs it lists are;
Clinical Psychologist
Health Psychologist
Counselling Psychologist
Occupational Psychologist
Educational Psychologist
Forensic Psychologist
Also on a side note, it says at the bottom of the page;
OTHER RELATED CAREERS
Because psychology is such a broad discipline many employers often regard it as a subject of choice.
Psychology students are taught critical evaluation, objective reasoning, an ability to express themselves
clearly and knowledge of research skills. All these qualities are seen as desirable in potential candidates.
Often psychology graduates enter careers that are not directly related to their subject but still use many of
the skills they have acquired. Here are some examples:
• Advertising
• Public relations
• Personnel
• Training
• Marketing
• Secret service
• Police
• Military
• Teaching
• Occupational therapy
• Sales
• Recruitment.
© Heinemann Educational Publishers 2003
s
heinemann CD
Counselling Psychologist
The usual route to obtain a chartered counselling psychologist status is:
To obtain an accredited qualification in psychology (often a degree) - which takes three years
Completion of an accredited postgraduate qualification in counselling psychology (which must be equivalent to the BPS Diploma in counselling)
Or you can take the BPS Diploma in counselling psychology
The usual route to obtain a chartered counselling psychologist status is:
To obtain an accredited qualification in psychology (often a degree) - which takes three years
Completion of an accredited postgraduate qualification in counselling psychology (which must be equivalent to the BPS Diploma in counselling)
Or you can take the BPS Diploma in counselling psychology
So, according to the CD, a psychology degree is like another key which unlocks even more doors
Some of the jobs it lists are;
Clinical Psychologist
Health Psychologist
Counselling Psychologist
Occupational Psychologist
Educational Psychologist
Forensic Psychologist
Also on a side note, it says at the bottom of the page;
Heinemann CD
Because psychology is such a broad discipline many employers often regard it as a subject of choice.
Psychology students are taught critical evaluation, objective reasoning, an ability to express themselves
clearly and knowledge of research skills. All these qualities are seen as desirable in potential candidates.
Often psychology graduates enter careers that are not directly related to their subject but still use many of
the skills they have acquired. Here are some examples:
• Advertising
• Public relations
• Personnel
• Training
• Marketing
• Secret service
• Police
• Military
• Teaching
• Occupational therapy
• Sales
• Recruitment.
© Heinemann Educational Publishers 2003
s
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