British General Election 2005
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Yeah I agree. Usually. I think the forthcoming election may well see the end of this trend though. The Conservatives are totally unelectable and the Lib. Dems. are becoming steadily more popular.(Original post by technik)
General elections do usually see the return to basically 2 party politics though, compared to local and euro elections -
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The reason that many students may vote conservative is that only people who know nothing about politics can vote for them; either that or you're just really rich and stingy. They're a joke, please people; if you don't know much about politics don't decide to go and vote conservative because they sound like they're going to take drastic action.
Oh, and I'm lib dem. -
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thats not centre, thats contradictory.(Original post by PhilipsCDRW)
I'm centre. Freedom and power to the individual and the market (that's right-wing) but state control of services that shouldn't run on a profit basis, like the railways and the hospitals and the schools. (That's left-wing). -
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If I were a British citizen I woudl vote for Labour. Back in Sweden I would probably have voted right-wing, but that is merely because every party in Sweden is left wing as compared to british politics.(Original post by gideon2000uk)
Who do you intend to vote for in the General election of 2005?
I have always had the impression that students tend to vote for left-wing parties, perhaps I am wrong, but it would be interesting to find out.
It is not possible to restrict the poll to people from the UK only, but it would be better if the poll could reflect UK opinion..
I will be voting for the Conservative Party myself, although I live in a Labour stronghold so it will not affect the result! -
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Or perhaps those who believe in economic liberalism; just a thought.(Original post by Swing)
The reason that many students may vote conservative is that only people who know nothing about politics can vote for them; either that or you're just really rich and stingy. They're a joke, please people; if you don't know much about politics don't decide to go and vote conservative because they sound like they're going to take drastic action.
Oh, and I'm lib dem. -
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the fact that it is not exclusively under private administration would define it as a merit good. he stated a definition of right and left and then said he was centre, i dont see on what grounds. being for the free market and personal choice and then advocating state control of the services doesnt seem consistent to me.(Original post by Jonatan)
Ever heardthe term mixed market society? I beleive he seemed to favour a private administration of all goods except merit goods. -
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Because he thinks that some markets (e.g. Health) should be left to the public sector, and the rest should be entirely left to market forces (e.g. Farming)(Original post by vienna95)
the fact that it is not exclusively under private administration would define it as a merit good. he stated a definition of right and left and then said he was centre, i dont see on what grounds. being for the free market and personal choice and then advocating state control of the services doesnt seem consistent to me.
It seems a pretty standard view for many people.... -
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ill take your word for it.(Original post by corey)
Because he thinks that some markets (e.g. Health) should be left to the public sector, and the rest should be entirely left to market forces (e.g. Farming)
probably yes.It seems a pretty standard view for many people.... -
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That's a rather arrogent statement.(Original post by Swing)
The reason that many students may vote conservative is that only people who know nothing about politics can vote for them; either that or you're just really rich and stingy. They're a joke, please people; if you don't know much about politics don't decide to go and vote conservative because they sound like they're going to take drastic action.
Oh, and I'm lib dem.
The Conservative Party have an appeal for people who have worked damn hard for their money and want to keep as much of it as possible.
This is not stingy and it doesn't just apply to the rich.
What about single mothers who go out to work and pay their taxes, when other people are content to live off the Welfare state? Are they stingy if they want to pay fewer taxes?
I dont think so!
Hard working people are the backbone of this country and I make no appology for standing up for them by voting Conservative. -
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<rousing "hear hear" from the backbenches>(Original post by gideon2000uk)
That's a rather arrogent statement.
The Conservative Party have an appeal for people who have worked damn hard for their money and want to keep as much of it as possible.
This is not stingy and it doesn't just apply to the rich.
What about single mothers who go out to work and pay their taxes, when other people are content to live off the Welfare state? Are they stingy if they want to pay fewer taxes?
I dont think so!
Hard working people are the backbone of this country and I make no appology for standing up for them by voting Conservative.
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i second that!(Original post by gideon2000uk)
That's a rather arrogent statement.
The Conservative Party have an appeal for people who have worked damn hard for their money and want to keep as much of it as possible.
This is not stingy and it doesn't just apply to the rich.
What about single mothers who go out to work and pay their taxes, when other people are content to live off the Welfare state? Are they stingy if they want to pay fewer taxes?
I dont think so!
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How about helping single mothers teach their children not to do what they did by paying then enough for them to raise them properly; instead of condeming and punishing them? A lot of these hardworking people are the immigrants who you want to limit coming into this country; when we need them all.(Original post by gideon2000uk)
That's a rather arrogent statement.
The Conservative Party have an appeal for people who have worked damn hard for their money and want to keep as much of it as possible.
This is not stingy and it doesn't just apply to the rich.
What about single mothers who go out to work and pay their taxes, when other people are content to live off the Welfare state? Are they stingy if they want to pay fewer taxes?
I dont think so!
Hard working people are the backbone of this country and I make no appology for standing up for them by voting Conservative. -
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I haven't condemned anyone, and niether has my party. Would you care to elaborate?(Original post by Swing)
How about helping single mothers teach their children not to do what they did by paying then enough for them to raise them properly; instead of condeming and punishing them?
All I proposed was lower taxes for the poor, instead of the buerocratic nightmare of 'Working family tax credits.'
Immigration should serve the needs of our country. I have no problem with skilled immigrants coming into our country.(Original post by Swing)
A lot of these hardworking people are the immigrants who you want to limit coming into this country; when we need them all.
The leader of the Conservative Party has immigrant parents, I have many friends who are 'hard working immigrants' and I have no problem with this.
You are misrepresenting our policies.
I have met many Conservative MP's and activist and they are all decent people who care deeply about all members of our country. -
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**** em'(Original post by Swing)
How about helping single mothers teach their children not to do what they did by paying then enough for them to raise them properly; instead of condeming and punishing them? A lot of these hardworking people are the immigrants who you want to limit coming into this country; when we need them all. -
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I will vote Lib Dem (my first General Election, I'm quite excited!) but it won't make any difference at all, as the chances of anyone other than Labour winning in my constituency are pretty small, as far as I can tell. Certainly, it's not going to end up a Conservative seat, especially not now that Michael Howard tells us that the Conservatives can win the next election "without Liverpool or Manchester." Glad I'm not one of the prospective Conservative candidates here, I'm sure they feel valued now!
Personally I would never vote Conservative in a million years because I do not agree with what they stand for. But I don't want to argue with people who do vote for them, because I know from experience that such arguments can become nasty (and personal) very quickly. And no one's opinion is ever altered by them anyway! -
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I'll be voting Conservative. I'm what you might call a One Nation Conservative though I'm more liberal socially and less paternalistic than that. The Conservative party isn't just about Norman Tebbitt and Margaret Thatcher, there are plenty of liberals who believe the state's involvement in people's private lives should be restricted.
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I'm voting for the lib dems (as i have said time and again), as they are the closest to my opinions on the way the country should be run, and my moral ground on most issues.
Additionally, they are the only party with any credibility, therefore they are the only choice in my opinion. -
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Are you a prospective Tory party candidate?(Original post by gideon2000uk)
No politcal party is proposing privatisation of Health or Education.
The Tories are promoting choice for patients and parents, and propose to allow providers from all sectors to provide health services free at the point of use at NHS prices.
The controversial part of the Tory plans is to allow some NHS money to follow the patient into the private sector for a more expensive operation. Currently the government are allready sending patients into the private sector where NHS capacity os not available so this is not as radical a step as it might appear to some.
The idea of the policy is that market forces can operate within the NHS to allocate resources to meet patients needs.
Are you a Tory party candidate? That sounds distinctively like a party political speech to me
At present the public sector monopoly and excessive government control is wasting money and allocating resources inefficiently and irt makes no sense at all to maintain the current monopoly.
The Tories are right, and Labour can only respons with a diluted verison of an essential policy.
That sounds suspiciously like a party political broadcast to me
