Masters of German History

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a MA just in Modern German History in the UK because it's not the most common thing taught at under-grad level.

I'll have a ponder having trawled numerous uni websites in the past months to find the MA I wanted to do but I think the closest you'll come to doing that subject is to do a MA in Modern European History and specialise

Brookes offer modules on 20th cen Germany at MA level

The SSEES?

is there any uni specialising or is good at german history/european history? besides ssees of course.

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All universities in the UK aside SOAS and a few other specialist institutions.

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watari

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World War II is considered to be modern is it not?

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^^ Anything post industrial revolution or Crimean War are.

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Vincente

^^ Anything post industrial revolution or Crimean War are.

I'd say slightly earlier -but it all depends on where you see early modern starting and ending...

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I'd say slightly earlier -but it all depends on where you see early modern starting and ending...

I was curious what do you class as modern history? Because I know Oxford's course is modern history yet it properly stretches back way before the medieval period I believe.

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Vincente

I was curious what do you class as modern history? Because I know Oxford's course is modern history yet it properly stretches back way before the medieval period I believe.

I would personally say very late 1600s onwards as modern.

The early modern modules on my course go from 1350 to 1650 roughly

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I would personally say very late 1600s onwards as modern.

Sorry for my lack of knowledge of history here but what happens during the 1600s which makes it the beginning of 'modern history?' I would guess end of feudalism/ start of industrilisation, enlightenment, reformation, colonial exapnsion????

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Vincente

Sorry for my lack of knowledge of history here but what happens during the 1600s which makes it the beginning of 'modern history?' I would guess end of feudalism/ start of industrilisation, enlightenment, reformation, colonial exapnsion????

Yeah pretty much

Events like the restoration of the King; the re-establishment of the Church of England under Charles II; Constitution of the monarchy (it may not be written, but we have got one) etc

A lot went on in the 18th century which would seem more mordern but the impact Charles II had can't go unnoticed.

Not that I like 17th cen history - I'm a 19th cen bod :biggrin:

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Vincente

Sorry for my lack of knowledge of history here but what happens during the 1600s which makes it the beginning of 'modern history?' I would guess end of feudalism/ start of industrilisation, enlightenment, reformation, colonial exapnsion????

The rise of global commerce and consciousness of it amongst the political classes; the great constitutional debates between absolutism, republicanism, and aristocratic power; the continuing build up of the nation-state as an actor in an age of warfare, colonisation, and bureaucratic development; religious turmoil and the end of the Roman church as a major societal actor in northern Europe and its replacement by state and secular alternatives; the emergence of early party/factional politics in the later decades of the century in Britain; Consolidation of feudal remnants into broad based, increasingly multi-ethnic empires on the continent; Wholesale societal, cultural and economic change in line with the enlightenment and a global economy; the emergence of the mass media and the increasing importance of public opinion and patriotism by way of the invention and diffusion of print; urbanization and industrialization in line with changes in the management and use of the countryside - the list goes on for a long while and can be argued over endlessly.

Early modernism seems to get shoveled in with modern history at the masters level (which makes some sense, but doesn't do it justice), and at least at Bristol with medieval history (which makes less sense to me, but I'm sure they have their reasons). There are no universally agreed set of dates for all the different eras (it's one of those things which is the focus of academic squabbles), but I would say early modernism cover the era at the beginning of the 16th century and stretches to the middle or end of the 18th century (quite a few say 1815 or thereabouts), and modernism goes on from there.

I don't know much of anything about pre-19th century German history myself, it's never seemed very accessible or visible in the English speaking world (both UK and US universities). I've often wondered why that is actually, always been intrigued by the Habsburgs. Twentieth century and late 19th century are often overdone in turn.

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