[jrhartley]

(Original post by 88888)

So is this a kind of possible route to lead from just architecture,and you could find decent jobs in those possibilities?

You need to remember that there are an awful lot of people doing interior design and landscape architecture - indeed, as there are no protection of title (anyone can call themselves a landscape architect / interior designer) then you have even more supply and those areas are even more competitive than architecture.

[Nitebot]

(Original post by Sangbatz)
Although this may be a question for town planning students I'm sure you guys might be able to shed some light on it.
I'm looking for a type of map. The only way I can describe it is one which is split into zones according to what is/ is allowed to be built on it. Very simplistically, one which is split into no build areas, Commercial, Industrial and residential. But, ideally one which goes into much more detail.
I've looked online but can find anything, most likely due to my retarded use of language. Appreciate the help if anyone knows.
Thanks Ollie.

Sounds like your after a Local Plan/Core Strategy Proposals Map. I've linked to Derby's and Westminster's as examples.

[Sangbatz]

(Original post by Nitebot)
Sounds like your after a Local Plan/Core Strategy Proposals Map. I've linked to Derby's and Westminster's as examples.

Perfect, thanks mate.

[ttoffee]

(Original post by yeahyeahyeahs)
Yes and no.
The architecture process has been hell, everyone has gone insane, developed a drug, or an alcoholic problem.


I wished I spent £50k of student loans and savings on lottery tickets. Architecture is a never ending addiction.

haha...

worst of all is there are hardly any jobs around for fresh graduates.. or graduates from previous years. I can see there's a need for architects who have finished their part3/been in the industry for years..but for those who haven't finished all the parts-there's almost nothing compared the amount of graduates coming out.

Time has flown, and I am sick of these past three months writing cover letters and sending cvs whether hardcopy/electronic.. still no sound..
Had one interview, but turns out they need a fluent mandarin speaker/writer. (of which I'm only fluent with cantonese-gutted.)..maybe time I take lessons in mandarin, since everyone seems to be fleeing to China to make money.
Every firm I have phoned up is not looking for architectural assistants

Oh why oh why UK do you have to be at such a state in this generation.
Why did I study architecture? Oh I hate it too much and love it too much, and I feel so so sorry for those who about to start this course soon.

[tulpate]

going to start my 3rd year from september.. i'm dreading it!

[tulpate]

(Original post by Hispanic-Impressions)
THIRD YEAR DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(kinda almost)

**** YEAH

well done mate!!! are you looking for a year out placement? im dreading third year ....

[ttoffee]

someone out there gimme a job pretty please...!!!
i'm freaking out. It's August-is it all too late? Do people apply all year round?

I'll just keep working on a better portfolio and keep applying..and find some part time job in whatever for now...and learn wanted render programs like rhino and..microstation? sigh* and learn mandarin.......looks like if you have mandarin you are much more guaranteed a job!!!!!

I keep getting this "Your work looks great but we aren't looking for anyone at the moment..."

[88888]

(Original post by ttoffee)
someone out there gimme a job pretty please...!!!
i'm freaking out. It's August-is it all too late? Do people apply all year round?

I'll just keep working on a better portfolio and keep applying..and find some part time job in whatever for now...and learn wanted render programs like rhino and..microstation? sigh* and learn mandarin.......looks like if you have mandarin you are much more guaranteed a job!!!!!

I keep getting this "Your work looks great but we aren't looking for anyone at the moment..."

Where are you from then? Is mandarin that important for architecture?sorry, I am confused about it..


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[jrhartley]

(Original post by 88888)
Where are you from then? Is mandarin that important for architecture?sorry, I am confused about it..


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it was no doubt a reference to the only jobs being in china. don't worry though, that false growth is running out of steam quick enough that there won't be any point architecture grads heading over there soon (look up all their ghost cities - fascinating) - so no need to learn mandarin or cantonese or any other dialect for that matter.

[kikko]

(Original post by ttoffee)
someone out there gimme a job pretty please...!!!
i'm freaking out. It's August-is it all too late? Do people apply all year round?

I'll just keep working on a better portfolio and keep applying..and find some part time job in whatever for now...and learn wanted render programs like rhino and..microstation? sigh* and learn mandarin.......looks like if you have mandarin you are much more guaranteed a job!!!!!

I keep getting this "Your work looks great but we aren't looking for anyone at the moment..."

Me too.. I had two interviews but they decided they didn't want me in the end

keep going!

[ttoffee]

(Original post by jrhartley)
it was no doubt a reference to the only jobs being in china. don't worry though, that false growth is running out of steam quick enough that there won't be any point architecture grads heading over there soon (look up all their ghost cities - fascinating) - so no need to learn mandarin or cantonese or any other dialect for that matter.

Yes they have ghost cities, but china still welcomes firms there-whether it's a branch or a proposal.

The architects I had an interview with wasn't one for China, but a full on UK firm in Manchester whom they had a new project going on in Shenzhen-they needed a p1 who could read (to translate emails) and speak mandarin.

I'm not saying we all need to learn mandarin, but it's a valuable skill for firms you may apply for that either have a branch in China, or have building projects for China.

[ttoffee]

(Original post by 88888)
Where are you from then? Is mandarin that important for architecture?sorry, I am confused about it..


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I'm born and bred in Liverpool, studied in Manchester.

It's not important, but there are UK firms that I have applied to who have then told me they have new projects in China-and it would just be an advantage to know that language that's all at this PRESENT time. I don't know what it's going to be like in the future.

I have applied to so many firms who are not looking and have also had their own staff made redundant- speaking to those who just finished part2, they encouraged me to apply abroad.

[SarcasticComplex]

I'd really like to be an architect, but it sounds like the employment rates aren't that high :/ really, i'd want to stay in the uk, but that seems unlikely... what about france? any idea what it's like there?

[jrhartley]

(Original post by SarcasticComplex)
I'd really like to be an architect, but it sounds like the employment rates aren't that high :/ really, i'd want to stay in the uk, but that seems unlikely... what about france? any idea what it's like there?

Unless you're fluent in French (and no, not A-level french, technical, native tongue level French) and have good connections you would really struggle to work there. You'd need to do your training there as well as RIBA / ARB is not officially recognised (despite EU mutual recognition of professional qualifications rules) - so that's another hoop to jump through getting the exam in France as well post Part 3. Plus M. Hollande is sure to wreak untold hell by the time you'd be qualified. France is going to be the new Greece the way his early rhetoric suggested.

[SarcasticComplex]

(Original post by jrhartley)
Unless you're fluent in French (and no, not A-level french, technical, native tongue level French) and have good connections you would really struggle to work there. You'd need to do your training there as well as RIBA / ARB is not officially recognised (despite EU mutual recognition of professional qualifications rules) - so that's another hoop to jump through getting the exam in France as well post Part 3. Plus M. Hollande is sure to wreak untold hell by the time you'd be qualified. France is going to be the new Greece the way his early rhetoric suggested.

I guess.... thanks :/

[ttoffee]

Question, to you experts, and you in particular Jrhartley.

Okay, having applied to a large bundle in North West and in London hasn't been any good since a lot have just replied that I didn't succeed due to the standards of work being extremely high.. etc etc. or they had people made redundant and not looking...

If I keep on applying today onwards more and more... will it possibly look like I am some very late applicant that no one will consider? I can understand some architects may employ assistants any time throughout the year-but is that because students had already sent loads in summer? and then an architect pops up in the middle of february and goes "time to employ an assistant"?

I will have to keep applying, this I know.. but I feel like someone really late!!

[kikko]

(Original post by ttoffee)
I will have to keep applying, this I know.. but I feel like someone really late!!

I feel the same.. more and more people in my year are gradually getting jobs.. come to think of it I think there must be something wrong with my CV..

[jrhartley]

(Original post by ttoffee)
I will have to keep applying, this I know.. but I feel like someone really late!!

You just need to keep on hitting it. Practises are winning new business all the time - they never know when the phone might ring with a new project which they need resource for. Clearly that's not going to just be between July and September - its all year round. Indeed, I'd even suggest recontacting some of the firms who said no to you over the past couple of months later this year. Things change all the time. You just need to keep plugging away - its all about the luck of phoning a practice just as they have been discussing needing to take someone on. Its a numbers game - the more calls you make, statistically the more likely you are to call a firm who is thinking about hiring at that point in time.

Make sure you check twitter a lot as well - a lot of decent firms now seem to be making vacancies known about only on twitter, not their website or via BD4Jobs, etc.

[ttoffee]

(Original post by jrhartley)
You just need to keep on hitting it. Practises are winning new business all the time - they never know when the phone might ring with a new project which they need resource for. Clearly that's not going to just be between July and September - its all year round. Indeed, I'd even suggest recontacting some of the firms who said no to you over the past couple of months later this year. Things change all the time. You just need to keep plugging away - its all about the luck of phoning a practice just as they have been discussing needing to take someone on. Its a numbers game - the more calls you make, statistically the more likely you are to call a firm who is thinking about hiring at that point in time.

Make sure you check twitter a lot as well - a lot of decent firms now seem to be making vacancies known about only on twitter, not their website or via BD4Jobs, etc.

Thanks for your advice and telling me to keep phoning up and applying.
Today I received news that there's an architect in Malaysia who is willing to take me on for the year. He owns a firm with architects under RIBA degrees also. Shall I take it on do you think? This means part 2 work has to definitely be in UK, which hopefully by then I will be more experienced in the field.

[ttoffee]

(Original post by kikko)
I feel the same.. more and more people in my year are gradually getting jobs.. come to think of it I think there must be something wrong with my CV..

Don't lose hope! I will still be applying to firms and phoning up daily. Hopefully new building projects will pop up for firms in due time, with need of assistants.
I am still waiting on some firms who haven't replied who were looking... not sure about what has happened there-whether it's no longer available or not.

Fight on!!