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Cool typo.

Take two lines, and , and draw them in a similar way as in the picture below.

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Notice that is the gradient of , and is the gradient of . So, the two lines can be expressed in terms of these angles.

These will be perpendicular if , so you'd use .

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Substituting this, you obtain by co-function identities.

Therefore, the product of their gradients is for a rotation of any angle . Translations also do not change anything.

In other words, any two perpendicular lines are rotations and translations of the and axes, and the product of gradients of those two is .

Well done, but it still doesn't answer thw question of those lines in specific that were asked with. So unless youa re related to the french mathematician Jacques Hadamard why are you not answering the qesation.

P.S It isn't a bad excuse I copy and pasted his question on to here. If you don't believe me go have a look on the Current Year 11 thread. You are an odd one aren't ypou.
2. (Original post by GreenLantern1)
Well done, but it still doesn't answer thw question of those lines in specific that were asked with. You are an odd one aren't ypou.
All you had to see is that you can change coordinates to and , where the expression for the product of gradients of and axes makes sense.
Anyway, I now see that you are not looking for an answer, but for an argument, and I am not interested in this particular one. Sorry!

I have always been an odd one, does that make a difference?

I have always been an odd one, does that make a difference?
I think "odd one" was a euphemism for "****".
4. (Original post by nohomo)
I think "odd one" was a euphemism for "****".
Then I guess it makes a difference.
5. (Original post by GreenLantern1)
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When perpendicular lines meet, the product of their gradient is -1, right?

However, say if we have the lines y = 3 and x = 5.

The gradient of the y=3 in undefined, and the gradient of the x = 5 is 1.

So is this not an exception for the rule that perpendicular lines's gradients have a product of -1? Or is their another explanation for this?
The rule is probably only true for finite gradients.

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7. (Original post by ben-smith)
What was Lebesgue's favourite play?
Good one. Have you come across this before?

"If you've got a hairy line integral around a simple curve, magic things happen." โ APM
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"I could have made it even hairier, but after a while I decided enough was enough." โ APM
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"An integral like nothing I've ever seen before, but... courage!" โ APM

8. (Original post by GreenLantern1)
Posted for Usycool:

When perpendicular lines meet, the product of their gradient is -1, right?

However, say if we have the lines y = 3 and x = 5.

The gradient of the y=3 in undefined, and the gradient of the x = 5 is 1.

So is this not an exception for the rule that perpendicular lines's gradients have a product of -1? Or is their another explanation for this?
Bit late to the party but, why do you think this poses a problem for the rule?

Gradient of x = 5 is 0.

Let's assume for a second we don't know the gradient of y = 3, but we do know our lines are perpendicular:

So 0 times what gives -1? There's no value that satisfies so m2 is undefined, as we already know it is.
9. (Original post by mimx)
Bit late to the party but, why do you think this poses a problem for the rule?

Gradient of x = 5 is 0.

Let's assume for a second we don't know the gradient of y = 3, but we do know our lines are perpendicular:

So 0 times what gives -1? There's no value that satisfies so m2 is undefined, as we already know it is.
Very interestiing! If you can ask your maths teacher. I am on study leave so won;t see them till next year
10. quick question

by using the substitution t=tanx evaluate the definite integral 1/(9cos^2x - sin^2x) dx with the limits being pi/4 and 0

will pos rep whoever gives me the answer. thanks
11. (Original post by Entrepreneur123)
quick question

by using the substitution t=tanx evaluate the definite integral 1/(9cos^2x - sin^2x) dx with the limits being pi/4 and 0

will pos rep whoever gives me the answer. thanks
Before making the substitution, divide through by . Then the substitution and the rest is very easy.
12. i don't know if this is the right place to ask this

anyway, on my calculator, how to i convert decimals to pi?? i need this for an upcoming maths exam

i have a casio fx-115ms calculator, i've searched online and found no answers to this. my friend's calculator is able to toggle between decimals and pi using the same button to convert decimals to fractions (which on her calculator is the s<=>d button), yet the equivalent button on my calculator does not do this??

my brother's calculator (casio fx-83es) is able to toggle between decimals and pi/fractions using this button while on the mathio mode, i'm don't see this mode in my calculator (unless it's under a different name and i'm missing it)

thanks, sorry again if this isn't the right place to ask
13. guys you all possibly know this. but i have a problem on game theory. the thing is that it assumes none of the people involved in the game will work collaboratively with the other people involved. what if they do. are we sure that they will get the highest profit ( none goes to prison)?
14. (Original post by poyyo)
i don't know if this is the right place to ask this

anyway, on my calculator, how to i convert decimals to pi?? i need this for an upcoming maths exam

i have a casio fx-115ms calculator, i've searched online and found no answers to this. my friend's calculator is able to toggle between decimals and pi using the same button to convert decimals to fractions (which on her calculator is the s<=>d button), yet the equivalent button on my calculator does not do this??

my brother's calculator (casio fx-83es) is able to toggle between decimals and pi/fractions using this button while on the mathio mode, i'm don't see this mode in my calculator (unless it's under a different name and i'm missing it)

thanks, sorry again if this isn't the right place to ask
not all the calculators have that ability. but out of the interest remember to use 3.1416 as pi. it helps accuracy.
guys you all possibly know this. but i have a problem on game theory. the thing is that it assumes none of the people involved in the game will work collaboratively with the other people involved. what if they do. are we sure that they will get the highest profit ( none goes to prison)?
What's the game?
not all the calculators have that ability. but out of the interest remember to use 3.1416 as pi. it helps accuracy.
thanks, it's just that i need to give some of my answers in terms of pi (eg 3[pi]/2)

so do you think i will have to use another calculator for the exam? (not something i really want to do since i am more used to the way my calculator works)
17. (Original post by poyyo)
thanks, it's just that i need to give some of my answers in terms of pi (eg 3[pi]/2)

so do you think i will have to use another calculator for the exam? (not something i really want to do since i am more used to the way my calculator works)
ok. if you want my opinion dont go for a new calculator. find your answer in radians and divide them by 3.1416( eg if you get 1.5708 radians divide it by 3.1416 and what youll get is 1/2) then times it by pi (e.g. 1(pi)/2) but if you want the method of working with a fancy calculator ill get one of my friends to post it tonight on this thread. hope it helps
by the way tell me what exam you have. itll be better.
18. (Original post by sputum)
What's the game?
ok this is the game theory:
two people have stolen something, police can not arrest any of them if they dont confess.if one of them confesses the other one is arrested and jailed for one year, and the one that has confessed is freed. its the same argument for the other person. but if they both confess each will be prisoned for 6 moths. what do you think they will do?
ok this is the game theory:
two people have stolen something, police can not arrest any of them if they dont confess.if one of them confesses the other one is arrested and jailed for one year, and the one that has confessed is freed. its the same argument for the other person. but if they both confess each will be prisoned for 6 moths. what do you think they will do?
Cooperatively they will shut the something up

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