Is Ephebophilia morally wrong?

I don't think its morally wrong, as these teens have or are going through puberty hence its only natural for them to be looked at in a sexual way.
Saying that, it does definitely need to be controlled, with age of consent laws, and laws to do with age differences between people in sexual relationships under a certain age

No.

Gancor

No.

dont spam H+R :eek:

Reply 4

Dashavoo

I think that it depends on how developed the individual is as to whether it is alright to be sexually attracted to them, but when it comes to actually having a relationship with the person I would probably apply the rule of "Half your age, plus seven", e.g. I am 19, round that up to 20 to make it easier to work with, half my age is 10, plus seven is 17, but since I am not 20 yet an old 16 year old is acceptable.
This currently fits well with the policy I had before I heard about that rule, which was nobody younger than my sister's school year group.

Reply 5

Cocaine Socialist

11

Not in the slightest.

Reply 6

OP

Let me stimulate this with a hypothetical situation so that we get less "yes" or "no", or "Well it depends on the laws" answers.

A generic TSR university student of age twenty one desires to start a sexual relationship with another generic younger student of age thirteen.

Lets use the extremes, of maybe quite an immature male student, and a quite matured younger female.

Is this morally wrong? The girl is well in puberty - could physically bear child, is old enough to decide whether or not she has operations carried out upon her (as opposed to her parents), and the student has not physically forced her to do anything.

This breaks Age/2+7.

Is this morally wrong?

Reply 7

HCD

Redemption

For the purposes of this "debate", lets consider adolescents of teen "age" - say, 12/13-17/18.

There's a world of difference between those upper and lower bands, though. If a 25 year old was looking at a 12 year old, I'd be concerned. If they were looking at an 18 year old, I wouldn't.

Reply 8

sdt

12

Morally wrong is to stick your nose into other people's business. As long as full consent (i.e. from parents too) is given, what's the issue?

Reply 9

Profesh

20

Not really, no. Heck, if someone can given me a rational, humanistic argument against paedophilia that doesn't 'petition the premise', I'll actually be quite impressed.

Reply 10

Hedger

13

HCD

There's a world of difference between those upper and lower bands, though. If a 25 year old was looking at a 12 year old, I'd be concerned. If they were looking at an 18 year old, I wouldn't.

Yup... OP failed to mention the age of the people looking :hmmm:

Reply 11

JoMo1

12

well personally I don't believe paedophilia is wrong in the slightest, an attraction to children is not inherently wrong, and nor is a relationship of any kind (including sexual) inherently wrong. It becomes wrong when these relationships harm the child involved, which is actually almost every case. So no, Ephebophilia is not morally wrong, no attraction or relationship is automatically wrong, it's the effect that they have on the people involved that make them wrong.

Reply 12

OP

loadmalz

Yup... OP failed to mention the age of the people looking :hmmm:

Read the thread.

Reply 13

generalebriety

Redemption

Let me stimulate this with a hypothetical situation so that we get less "yes" or "no", or "Well it depends on the laws" answers.

A generic TSR university student of age twenty one desires to start a sexual relationship with another generic younger student of age thirteen.

Lets use the extremes, of maybe quite an immature male student, and a quite matured younger female.

Is this morally wrong? The girl is well in puberty - could physically bear child, is old enough to decide whether or not she has operations carried out upon her (as opposed to her parents), and the student has not physically forced her to do anything.

This breaks Age/2+7.

Is this morally wrong?

I don't see anything "morally wrong" with this hypothetical situation; on the other hand, I don't know many 13-year-old girls who are ready to have a relationship (even if girls do mature earlier than boys, they don't mature THAT early). Also, they of course shouldn't break any laws. So yeah, a relationship in this hypothetical situation would work, I just seriously doubt it would be at all a meaningful relationship (no sex, and neither person is mature enough to want much more out of a relationship; no going out with friends for obvious reasons of clashes of interest, and so on). It'd be a friendship that was rather generously called a relationship. So, it's a silly hypothetical situation, because it doesn't happen.

Reply 14

OP

generalebriety

I don't see anything "morally wrong" with this hypothetical situation; on the other hand, I don't know many 13-year-old girls who are ready to have a relationship (even if girls do mature earlier than boys, they don't mature THAT early). Also, they of course shouldn't break any laws. So yeah, a relationship in this hypothetical situation would work, I just seriously doubt it would be at all a meaningful relationship (no sex, and neither person is mature enough to want much more out of a relationship; no going out with friends for obvious reasons of clashes of interest, and so on). It'd be a friendship that was rather generously called a relationship. So, it's a silly hypothetical situation, because it doesn't happen.

I said sexual relationship if you read it. What would be morally wrong about a sexual relationship between the two concerned.

Reply 15

Hedger

13

Redemption

Read the thread.

So you're asking is it morally wrong for a 50 year old to start dating a 13 year old?

Reply 16

OP

Cereal Killer II

(i.e. from parents too)

Why does the parent have any say at all?

Reply 17

OP

loadmalz

So you're asking is it morally wrong for a 50 year old to start dating a 13 year old?

Did you read the thread? No.

I asked would you consider it morally wrong if a twenty one year old started having a sexual relationship with a 13/14 year old.

I'm not going to quote and respond anymore for people who cba to read. I don't mind.

Just share your thoughts.

Reply 18

generalebriety

Redemption

I said sexual relationship if you read it. What would be morally wrong about a sexual relationship between the two concerned.

Oh, you did? Well, I'm not getting into this discussion; if I give any potential legal, psychological or medical reason why, you'll just come back at me with "yes, but what if?".

No, there's nothing morally wrong about a sexual relationship if she's sexually mature, physically mature, psychologically mature, and has a strong mind; you don't find 13-year-old girls like that, though. That's why it's illegal and considered immoral.

Reply 19

RightSaidJames