[Minardi]

(Original post by Shryke)
The download limit has now doubled to 1gb per day

Fan-****ing-tastic.

[tasGooner]

[QUOTE=sourcelives]How would unlimited by using wireless work?[\QUOTE]

There are lots of wireless hotspots around campus (although unless ur incredibly luck u wont pick it up in halls), you connect to the network and then its totally unlimited (see http://www.keele.ac.uk/depts/cc/quic...relessloc.html for locations)

[Lara C.]

[QUOTE=tasGooner]

(Original post by sourcelives)
How would unlimited by using wireless work?[\QUOTE]

There are lots of wireless hotspots around campus (although unless ur incredibly luck u wont pick it up in halls), you connect to the network and then its totally unlimited (see http://www.keele.ac.uk/depts/cc/quic...relessloc.html for locations)

lindsay hexagon has one apparently so id say theres a strong chance in some of the CRT buildings on that side.

[tasGooner]

Yea that is true but I would think that only people on the side faxing the hexagon would pick it up.

[Zayne]

I'd love to know WHY we have a limit at all. Just halve Janet Finch's salary and we'd have plenty of money for it.

[tasGooner]

(Original post by Zayne)
I'd love to know WHY we have a limit at all. Just halve Janet Finch's salary and we'd have plenty of money for it.

Lol, we have a limit to deter file sharing because FS is not clever and is illegal. 500mb was way to low but 1GB should be ok now.

[*Little_Miss*]

Hi,
Is there any point buying the connecting cable before I get to Keele or just buy the ones they sell there? How much do they sell them for?
Thanks

[Girl.Scout]

I dunno... I don't know what type they are... But you can buy them from IT for £4.

[Minardi]

I got a much longer cable for the same money, which allowed me to lie in bed and surf.

If you have an external wi fi card or one that accepts an aerial port you can get some pretty high gain WiFi 2.4Ghz aerials. Have a quick google. Or make a cantenna.

[Zayne]

(Original post by tasGooner)
Lol, we have a limit to deter file sharing because FS is not clever and is illegal. 500mb was way to low but 1GB should be ok now.

I understand the illegality of sile-sharing. What I object to is that it limits perfectly legal things such as podcast downloads, or iplayer vids, as Minardi's said, you can pretty much get one episode of Doctor Who, visit Eurogamer and wham, that's the limit, hopefully 1 gig should be better.

[Shryke]

Is there a reason why they can't block ports for file sharing programs?

To be honest, I think 1gb is a nice compromise. I think that it's important that the types of people who might spend whole days watching videos on the internet, are pushed towards doing something else with their time at university. I mean ok, you could definitely argue that students should have their own choice over what they want to do. However, when you sign the contract for Keele accommodation, you are essentially agreeing to live on 500mb of internet access per day. If you don't like it, and it's that much of a dealbreaker, you can go somewhere else. The fact that they've given us an extra 500mb per day free of charge is something they have no obligation to do. Instead of arguing, and trying to push for more straight away, it's probably good manners to thank Keele for listening and finding a compromise.

It's not like I don't agree that it'd be useful to have more access. Not being able to watch whole episodes of tv programmes is what I see as the main problem in the system, as this is something that could help students save on a TV license. The money saved here could well be put back into the university. Why does Keele not offer a licence to view an unlimited amount of iplayer, 4od and youtube for a fee of around £30 a year?

When all is said and done, it IS only the internet, and there are lots of other things to do at Keele, so I don't see it as anything worth thinking about too much!

[Lara C.]

its an RJ45 ethernet cable you need. and the reason they cannot stop it is because FS programs use different ports.

[Lara C.]

(Original post by tasGooner)
Lol, we have a limit to deter file sharing because FS is not clever and is illegal.

file sharing is NOT illegal! the first ever networked computer was used for file sharing by the american government.

[Lara C.]

(Original post by Shryke)
Is there a reason why they can't block ports for file sharing programs?

To be honest, I think 1gb is a nice compromise. I think that it's important that the types of people who might spend whole days watching videos on the internet, are pushed towards doing something else with their time at university. I mean ok, you could definitely argue that students should have their own choice over what they want to do. However, when you sign the contract for Keele accommodation, you are essentially agreeing to live on 500mb of internet access per day. If you don't like it, and it's that much of a dealbreaker, you can go somewhere else. The fact that they've given us an extra 500mb per day free of charge is something they have no obligation to do. Instead of arguing, and trying to push for more straight away, it's probably good manners to thank Keele for listening and finding a compromise.

It's not like I don't agree that it'd be useful to have more access. Not being able to watch whole episodes of tv programmes is what I see as the main problem in the system, as this is something that could help students save on a TV license. The money saved here could well be put back into the university. Why does Keele not offer a licence to view an unlimited amount of iplayer, 4od and youtube for a fee of around £30 a year?

When all is said and done, it IS only the internet, and there are lots of other things to do at Keele, so I don't see it as anything worth thinking about too much!

studying politics are we?

internet access should not be capped. you naturally assume that high bandwidth means less time being constructive? totally untrue.

last semester i spend 4 days internet allowence downloading computer science lecture podcasts from harvard. was that a waste of time considering i was studying computer science? i didnt think so.

there should be no fee whatsoever, that only puts some people into having less access when other rich kids might have it and just waste it.

im going to work now so dont have time to continue this

[tasGooner]

(Original post by Lara C.)
file sharing is NOT illegal! the first ever networked computer was used for file sharing by the american government.

Filesharing is not illegal but the percentage of legal material either freeware or opensource (which maybe illegal to share because of redistribution rights in the license) material is tiny in comparision to illegal uses.

Its like getting stopped by the police with a white powder substance (i.e. sugar), they are suspicious but there is nothing illegal about carrying it. The same is true of filesharing!

[tasGooner]

(Original post by Lara C.)
studying politics are we?

internet access should not be capped. you naturally assume that high bandwidth means less time being constructive? totally untrue.

last semester i spend 4 days internet allowence downloading computer science lecture podcasts from harvard. was that a waste of time considering i was studying computer science? i didnt think so.

there should be no fee whatsoever, that only puts some people into having less access when other rich kids might have it and just waste it.

im going to work now so dont have time to continue this

If you went to the library and did it you would a) not use up your bandwidth and b) you would get it so much quicker.

I downloaded 6 GBs in about 30 mins on a saturday afternoon!

[Shryke]

(Original post by Lara C.)
studying politics are we? :

Haha nah, music student.

(Original post by Lara C.)
internet access should not be capped. you naturally assume that high bandwidth means less time being constructive? totally untrue.

last semester i spend 4 days internet allowence downloading computer science lecture podcasts from harvard. was that a waste of time considering i was studying computer science? i didnt think so.:

Well the thing is, I don't disagree with you. I was just putting forward an opposite argument to maybe suggest some reasons why a limit might have a good side as well. I don't assume that high bandwidth necessarily means less time being constructive. I just mean that high bandwidth produces the opportunity, and temptation to be less constructive.

(Original post by Lara C.)
there should be no fee whatsoever, that only puts some people into having less access when other rich kids might have it and just waste it. :

My thinking here was that as it stands, anyone who wants to watch tv programmes has to buy a tv licence at £135 a year. This high cost essentially presents a bigger 'divide' between people who can afford it, and those who can't. If the university charged a much lower fee for unlimited use of iplayer/4od, people who are intent on watching tv could do so for less money than they currently have to spend.

The thing is, it's not as if I disagree with you, I would appreciate an unlimited amount of bandwidth too. However, from Keele's point of view, there must be a reason to cap it at 1gb, otherwise they wouldn't hold back on lifting any restriction. Without actually holding a meeting with the people who decide on this limit, we'll never know all of the information behind the decision. I'm just trying to offer some alternative viewpoints.

I still maintain that because we signed up to 500mb internet allowance per day when we signed halls contracts, we should all be incredibly happy to be receiving double that.

[Minardi]

(Original post by tasGooner)
If you went to the library and did it you would a) not use up your bandwidth and b) you would get it so much quicker.

I downloaded 6 GBs in about 30 mins on a saturday afternoon!

Or if you want blazing speeds and no download restrictions, take a walk somewhere within the range of one of Keele wireless hotspots early in the morning. The connection is fast an there is no limit

[Lara C.]

(Original post by tasGooner)
Filesharing is not illegal but the percentage of legal material either freeware or opensource (which maybe illegal to share because of redistribution rights in the license) material is tiny in comparision to illegal uses.

Its like getting stopped by the police with a white powder substance (i.e. sugar), they are suspicious but there is nothing illegal about carrying it. The same is true of filesharing!

completely untrue. ive used files sharing many many times for legitmate programs which other people have used, not to mention the whole linux based system is designed to run on file sharing software.

file sharing systems are used alot for legitamate purposes, its just that the piracy aspect recieves ALOT of media attention and so people naively come to assume file sharing is actually an illegal process. couldnt not be further from the truth.

[Shryke]

Er, how does the fact that you've used file sharing programs for legal downloads make tasGooner's point 'completely untrue'? He is correct in saying that the percentage of file sharing downloads that are legal are tiny in comparison to the amount that are illegal.

Also, I don't think that anyone believes that file sharing is an illegal process. I'm sure if you surveyed a group of internet users, and asked them if all file sharing was illegal, you wouldn't get many incorrect responses. We all know that there is nothing illegal about distributing a picture taken by ourselves. Therefore we understand that file sharing is perfectly legal, as long as we have permission from the file's owner to do so.