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Reply 20
DoMakeSayThink
Just before I go to sleep, I've got to say that I agree with a lot of the other posters here. A medicine degree will push you in many ways, but I don't think it's going to present you with ideas as complex as a straight science degree. It'll push you in terms of work load, fact retention, working under pressure and I'm sure many other things besides, but it won't be as in depth as a chemistry degree. Personally, I find it deeply dissatisfying when I'm told that something "just happens", and I want to know the root cause, even if that means going down to the atomic level and looking at electron interaction. If you relate to that sort of feeling, then maybe a medicine degree isn't for you. All that being said, take it with a pinch of salt - I don't know what a medicine degree is genuinely like because I've not taken one, all I know is from the odd bit of discussion with medics, and the research I did as a pre-undergrad to decide on my course.


Yeah, I definitely get that feeling. It's unfortunate that many science courses are so specialised though - I love all parts of science; from biology to astrophysics, and I don't think I'll be ready to specialise by the time I'm going to university. :s-smilie:
Reply 21
Well if you do Medicine at Cambridge you can actually do Part II of the Natural Sciences Tripos (which third year NatScis do) in your third year. :smile: So that might be one option to consider if you're torn between NatSci and Medicine.
Reply 22
psyche87
Well if you do Medicine at Cambridge you can actually do Part II of the Natural Sciences Tripos (which third year NatScis do) in your third year. :smile: So that might be one option to consider if you're torn between NatSci and Medicine.


It's the second year which makes it stand out, at least for me..:p:
Reply 23
chevina
I wasn't sure if I should post this in my other thread or make a new one, but I figured I'll get more replies this way.

Basically, my question is whether you can do research on genetic diseases without being a doctor? Apart from medicine, which degrees would you recommend?

Having a hard time deciding if I should do medicine..:s-smilie:


Yup - I used to do just that. I did a BSc in genetics and a D.Phil in molecular biology.

It wasn't enough :wink:
Reply 24
chevina
I don't know if this seems weird or pretentious, it certainly isn't intended, but I have this strange feeling that biochemistry and similar courses aren't a big enough challenge.. I feel as if medicine is the only subject which will force me to make a huge effort, and I really want that. Is that normal or am I being irrational?


You will learn far more about genetics doing genetics or biochem than you will doing medicine - even with an intercalated year...
But do many medical researchers have a medical degree?
Reply 26
Some do, some don't. From my personal experience, as many with as without I guess... Why?
I was thinking that I've heard of doctors who research and work pretty much part time as GPs or consultants, but was wondering if I was mistaken
You need to do more research. How about Neuroscience at UCL for example (I applied for that, sounds like a brilliant course) or Genetics at Swansea? Both very challenging and interesting I'd imagine.

Tbh it sounds like, at the moment, you're worrying too much about the prestige of the university rather than course content. You should look at what interested you at school so much so that you read extra on it and take it from there.
Reply 29
ben_stretch
But do many medical researchers have a medical degree?


I have heard some cynical reasoning for why you should go the medical degree route if medical research really floats your boat but the idea of being a bit front-line with patients doesn't cause a cold sweat to break out = payment on doctor pay-scales! Don't know how much of a difference this can make in practice..?

We seem to have quite a few Honorary Consultants who have research groups & return to a General Medicine firm for between 1 - 6 months a year. But presumably most of their groups (especially if more basic science than clinical trials) aren't medics. :smile:
Reply 30
i have been thinking about this lots too. I know in life i want to make a difference to people and hopefully save lives. By doing medicine i can go hands on and do what i want to do but if i do research then there's the chance that i can make a difference to the world and save many more lives indirectly.

I think i will apply to medicine, and then hopefully do some research... I've been in a lab (funnily enough doing genetics) and it's really amazing. However, it's really difficult to remember why you are doing this research and you get so focused sometimes it's weird. Also it becomes quite repetitive and just a tiny bit boring soon. Especially with genetics, you can be preparing for a gel for a day or two and if you slip up at all back to step one. Sometimes you have to remove liquid from eppendorf tubes and keep the DNA in but you can't see the DNA and you can run a gel with nothing on it because you lost the DNA on the first day. It's not pleasant...

Also, the cliche about money not being everything is true but people in research who are graduates with PhDs find it difficult to get jobs and the pay ain't great. just another thing to think about i guess.
Reply 31
Elles
I have heard some cynical reasoning for why you should go the medical degree route if medical research really floats your boat but the idea of being a bit front-line with patients doesn't cause a cold sweat to break out = payment on doctor pay-scales! Don't know how much of a difference this can make in practice..?


I have it on good authority that it doubles the salary. :eek: Definitely worth taking into account.:rolleyes:

To the OP, I had the same dilemma as you. I couldn't decide between Medicine and science. I could think of many ways in which medicine would be an advantage, but I am very much a scientist at heart and wanted to study science in detail. I was completely unable to decide, and got really panicked.

It wasn't until I approached the choice from a different perspective that I was able to decide. I started to simply consider whether I wanted to be a doctor, and ignore the pros and cons of any alternative. I did hospital work experience, which I liked, and GP work experience, which I loved, and quite a bit of reading. Eventually I could say that I did really want to be a doctor. After that, everything fell into place, because I knew there was only one possible degree course. I told myself to ignore the craving for basic science, because I now had a real desire to study medicine. (Although, I have to admit, I still get quite worried reading Saffie's posts, wondering if I made the right choice, and if medicine will bore me because it has so little science...hope not).

Anyway, that was how I settled on medicine. I just have to hope I'll enjoy it. If I hate it, I can always change course.

Most of all, don't stress about the decision! That was my mistake, and I worried myself silly. Make the best, most reasoned choice you can under the circumstances, and remember you can always change at a later stage. Oh, and take A-levels that keep your options open.

One more thing: don't worry that a science degree won't have enough work in! If you want broad, you can always choose a very general degree like biological sciences. UCL, Birmingham and Durham also have NatSci courses.
Reply 32
isi333
I have it on good authority that it doubles the salary. :eek: Definitely worth taking into account.:rolleyes:

To the OP, I had the same dilemma as you. I couldn't decide between Medicine and science. I could think of many ways in which medicine would be an advantage, but I am very much a scientist at heart and wanted to study science in detail. I was completely unable to decide, and got really panicked.

It wasn't until I approached the choice from a different perspective that I was able to decide. I started to simply consider whether I wanted to be a doctor, and ignore the pros and cons of any alternative. I did hospital work experience, which I liked, and GP work experience, which I loved, and quite a bit of reading. Eventually I could say that I did really want to be a doctor. After that, everything fell into place, because I knew there was only one possible degree course. I told myself to ignore the craving for basic science, because I now had a real desire to study medicine. (Although, I have to admit, I still get quite worried reading Saffie's posts, wondering if I made the right choice, and if medicine will bore me because it has so little science...hope not).

Anyway, that was how I settled on medicine. I just have to hope I'll enjoy it. If I hate it, I can always change course.

Most of all, don't stress about the decision! That was my mistake, and I worried myself silly. Make the best, most reasoned choice you can under the circumstances, and remember you can always change at a later stage. Oh, and take A-levels that keep your options open.

One more thing: don't worry that a science degree won't have enough work in! If you want broad, you can always choose a very general degree like biological sciences. UCL, Birmingham and Durham also have NatSci courses.


Thanks, that post really made it easier. Rep coming your way :smile:
Reply 33
isi333
I have it on good authority that it doubles the salary. :eek: Definitely worth taking into account.:rolleyes:


I wish... It really doesn't! To give an idea, I'll have "lost" £160k in earnings alone (given my wage pre medical school and not taking into account inflation or anything else in the interim) while at medical school. I hate to think how long post qualification it will take to earn the same - + or - academia...
Reply 34
Fluffy
I wish... It really doesn't! To give an idea, I'll have "lost" £160k in earnings alone (given my wage pre medical school and not taking into account inflation or anything else in the interim) while at medical school. I hate to think how long post qualification it will take to earn the same - + or - academia...


True, but isn't your situation is a little atypical because you did several pre-medicine degrees?

I was more thinking of two researchers doing identical research in the same field at the same institution. My understanding was that the one with the medical degree would earn much more. I've heard that from a bitter neuroscience prof. at a careers fair who claims that the neurologists who work with him earn exactly twice as much for doing the same thing. Anyway, sorry if I gave bad advice. I suppose he could have been exaggerating. :rolleyes: And the situation may differ from university to university.
Reply 35
chevina
Thanks, that post really made it easier. Rep coming your way :smile:


Aww, thank you :biggrin: *jumps up and down because she is still new enough to get excited about rep*

Good luck with making the choice.
Reply 36
isi333
Aww, thank you :biggrin: *jumps up and down because she is still new enough to get excited about rep*

Good luck with making the choice.


Thanks :smile:
The rep will have to wait until tomorrow, already gave out one today :p:
Reply 37
isi333
True, but isn't your situation is a little atypical because you did several pre-medicine degrees?

I was more thinking of two researchers doing identical research in the same field at the same institution. My understanding was that the one with the medical degree would earn much more. I've heard that from a bitter neuroscience prof. at a careers fair who claims that the neurologists who work with him earn exactly twice as much for doing the same thing. Anyway, sorry if I gave bad advice. I suppose he could have been exaggerating. :rolleyes: And the situation may differ from university to university.


Not really - the basic scientist will tend to be a few years ahead of the medically qualified researcher so it tends to all even out. The difference comes in if a medically qualified peep has kept their clinician hat on and works a portfolio system doing mixed clinical and research science... the difference usually comes from the money they pull in from clinics meaning that their equivalent pay is higher.
Reply 38
Ok, so I've thought about this for hours and I finally managed to realise what my worry actually is. :p:
I love what I have studied/read so far about diseases and things generally relating to medicine. This is the reason I want to study medicine. However, I don't feel a strong desire of being a doctor in the sense that I would be diagnosing and treating patients - I'm mainly interested in the theory, learning about the diseases. I'm afraid that a medical degree will have too much practical application and not much theory, whereas it is the complete opposite with science. I suppose I don't really know the ratio of theory/practical in medicine, could anyone enlighten me? :smile:
chevina
I suppose I don't really know the ratio of theory/practical in medicine, could anyone enlighten me? :smile:

How about you do some work experience and find out.

For my the joy of medicine lies in the art. The science is all well and good, but it is in it's application that it shines.

(In practice it's impossible to separate the two. There's no such thing as a theory to practical ratio - without one the other doesn't hold up.)

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