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Old 20-08-2008: 20th August 2008 13:39 #1 
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I'm thinkling of taking either an AEA or STEP paper in mathematics, to boost my chance of getting into imperial. I was wondering of the differences between the 2: i.e which is harder?, better etc.

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The general consensus is that STEP is harder than AEA.

That said, AEA gets you UCAS points; STEP doesn't
 
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You realise you have to have finished A2 to take them, right? Which is after you apply, unless you're taking a gap year.
 
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Finished all A2s or just maths?
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Originally Posted by Draconis
You realise you have to have finished A2 to take them, right? Which is after you apply, unless you're taking a gap year.

That's the usual way of doing it, but it's not a rule - I took an AEA early this year, as have a few others on the forum.
 
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Finished all A2s or just maths?

Maths. You need to have done C1-4.
 
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Originally Posted by Rubberband
That's the usual way of doing it, but it's not a rule - I took an AEA early this year, as have a few others on the forum.

I was talking about Maths specifically. It's virtually impossible to do Maths AEA without C3 and C4.
 
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You can take them whenever, but it's inadvisable to try doing the papers with not enough maths knowledge. I've completed C1-4 + FP1 and I'm having no knowledge-base trouble with STEP I and II, I don't think I've used FP1 yet either.....

STEP is also harder, AEA is aimed at the top 10% of maths A2 candidates, STEP at the top 3%.
 
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I've done C1,C2,C3,M1 and S1 with average UMS of 97.6. I'm doing C4,FP1,D1,M2 in January. Will I be able to do them in 2009?
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Originally Posted by Draconis
I was talking about Maths specifically. It's virtually impossible to do Maths AEA without C3 and C4.

Oh, I'm sure it is, just wanted to clarify that it's not actually a formal prerequisite for sitting the exam. If the OP has covered the material, and their teacher was happy for them to sit it, they could in theory do it. Unlikely, but you know, just in case.
 
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I've done C1,C2,C3,M1 and S1 with average UMS of 97.6. I'm doing C4,FP1,D1,M2 in January. Will I be able to do them in 2009?

Yes. 2009 is the last year that you can do AEAs.
 
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Originally Posted by Rubberband
Oh, I'm sure it is, just wanted to clarify that it's not actually a formal prerequisite for sitting the exam. If the OP has covered the material, and their teacher was happy for them to sit it, they could in theory do it.

Yes, that's possible. I'll sort of be doing that this year - I'm finishing C1 and C2 in January, then C3 and C4 in June. Then AEA on the 24th of June.
 
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Isn't STEP more expensive than the AEA? Well actually, I have no idea how much it is to sit an AEA... just that STEP is close to £40 a unit! I would really like to do STEP but I can't finance it- that's why I am doing the AEA, since my school will pay for that.
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Originally Posted by Lady Justice
Isn't STEP more expensive than the AEA? Well actually, I have no idea how much it is to sit an AEA... just that STEP is close to £40 a unit! I would really like to do STEP but I can't finance it- that's why I am doing the AEA, since my school will pay for that.
Especially if you apply to Warwick (who (almost) require it), I reckon you'd have a very good chance of persuading them to pay for it. You could probably still make a decent argument w.r.t. Imperial as well I think.
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I don't like the general idea that STEP is aimed at the top 3%, i think it puts more people off than it attracts, i did fairly decently at STEP and i didn't even get an A* in GCSE Maths so i'm certainly not in top 3%. I would say though i developed much more interest in Maths after GCSE. I would say you must have a solid interest in Maths if you want to have a go , but you probably do since your thinking of taking AEA/STEP early. In saying that STEP is extremley difficult to do well in if your havent confindently finished the material for C3/C4 i'm not too sure about AEA though as i never took it. Good Luck.

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Originally Posted by pyrolol
Especially if you apply to Warwick (who (almost) require it).

Warwick have made STEP/AEA compulsory for 2009 entry, in case anyone's interested.
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Definitely go for AEA if you go for either one. But beware that you'll have to declare whatever grade you get on your UCAS application form - even if it's a U (I've checked this with my teachers, exams officer and UCAS).
 
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Definitely go for AEA if you go for either one. But beware that you'll have to declare whatever grade you get on your UCAS application form - even if it's a U (I've checked this with my teachers, exams officer and UCAS).
Not STEP, it's an admissions test, it's not certified; you can pretend it never happened.
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I meant the AEA (I've never asked about STEP but I'm sure you're right).
 
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Originally Posted by pyrolol
Especially if you apply to Warwick (who (almost) require it), I reckon you'd have a very good chance of persuading them to pay for it. You could probably still make a decent argument w.r.t. Imperial as well I think.

But my school know it's one OR the other, and since they have had bad results with STEP in the past, they don't seem willing to listen to my pleas. I will try again, of course- perhaps I will suggest I pay for the AEA and they for STEP. But if I am only allowed to take the one STEP paper, which one would you suggest? I realise not STEP I, since it is usually for those not doing further maths, but is STEP II a safer bet or should I risk it and go for STEP III?

And thanks for that Krush, does that mean the AAAA offer has been abolished?
 
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