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How's this?? Mind checking it this time :biggrin:



Find the Compound Formula for AB where Ax+,ByA^{x+} , B^{y-}

Step 1. Ax++ByA^{x+} + B^{y-}

Step 2. If x=y x = y , they combine like this: AB AB

Step 3. If not...: xy \frac{x}{y} cancel down this fraction into it's simplest form, like how 24=12\frac{2}{4} = \frac{1}{2}

Step 4. Call this 'cancelled down' version of x and y as mn \frac{m}{n}

Step 5. The Compound can be written as An(B)mA_n(B)_m

Example:

1.Al3+,S2O32Al^{3+} , S_2O_3^{2-}

2. 3 is not equal to 2

3. 32\frac{3}{2}

4. 32=mn\frac{3}{2} = \frac{m}{n}

5. \therefore Formula = Al2(S2O3)3Al_2(S_2O_3)_3
Reply 62
Malsi101
oh K..I get it.

so how about 2,2 dibromo-3-fluorobutane

:p:


2 bromine atoms bonded to the 2nd carbon in the chain, with a flourine bonded to the 3rd. The rest are filled with Hydrogens.
Reply 63
Malsi101
oh K..I get it.

so how about 2,2 dibromo-3-fluorobutane

:p:

4 carbons, 2 bromines, 1 fluorine. Both bromines are attached to the second carbon from one end, and the flourine to the third (counting from the same end of the chain.

So first carbon would have 3Hs, second carbon would have 2 Bromines, third carbon 1 F and 1 H, and the last 3Hs again
Reply 64
magnesium hydroxide:


Mg2+ + OH- + Mg2+ + 2OH_ = Mg(OH)2


Silver Carbonate:

Ag+ + CO2-3 = 2Ag+ + CO2-3 = Ag2CO3Ag_2 CO_3

copper sulphate:


Cu2+ + SO2-4 =CuSO4 CuSO_4 ?
Reply 65
sohanshah
How's this?? Mind checking it this time :biggrin:



Find the Compound Formula for AB where Ax+,ByA^{x+} , B^{y-}

Step 1. Find xyx - y

Step 2. If the above does not equal 0, then work out, how many x's and/or how many y's will be required to make k1xk2y=0k_1 x - k_2 y = 0

Step 3. Put k1k_1 after A and k2k_2 after B thus:

Ak1x+,(By)k2 A^{x+}_{k_1} , (B^{y-})_{k_2}

Step 4. Put the ions together: Ak1x+,(By)k2Ak1(B)k2A^{x+}_{k_1} , (B^{y-})_{k_2} \rightarrow A_{k_1} (B)_{k_2} where k1k_1 and k2k_2 are integers.

Example:

Al3+,S2O32Al^{3+} , S_2O_3^{2-}

1. 3 - 2 = 1

2. (2)3 - (3)2 = 0 therefore k1=2,k2=3k_1 = 2 , k_2 = 3

3. Al23+,(S2O32)3Al^{3+}_2 , (S_2O_3^{2-})_3

4. Al23+,(S2O32)3Al2(S2O3)3Al^{3+}_2 , (S_2O_3^{2-})_3 \rightarrow Al_2(S_2O_3)_3

Not to be pedantic, but surely it's x- Mod(y) :p:

Ignore what I just said btw hehe
Reply 66
Malsi101
magnesium hydroxide:


Mg2+ + OH- + Mg2+ + 2OH_ = Mg(OH)2


Silver Carbonate:

Ag+ + CO2-3 = 2Ag+ + CO2-3 = Ag2CO3Ag_2 CO_3

copper sulphate:


Cu2+ + SO2-4 =CuSO4 CuSO_4 ?

Perfect on all three counts. You deserve a nice break now (unless you're too pumped up from all the chemistry :p:)
I'm sure there was one exception to this rule which is why I didn't write down: Exchange the x and y and have it onthe bottom instead of the top.
Reply 68
woo tis what I got too.

I just knew the 2, 2 one which makes it di just didn't get how the 1 , 2 would make it di considering they're not on the same Carbon.

so for example I was getting mixed up with the fact that 1, 2 meant br on 1 and 2, but in class we did 1-bromo-2di bromo which meant 1 bromo on the first one and 2 on the second thus making it dibromo.

if you get what Im saying..the 1 , 2 should be 1 bromo 2 di bromo making 1 br on the first carbon and 2 on the second..but that is probably way off I know but is anything I said in this post correct:biggrin:
On a slightly different topic, does 2-methylbutan-1-ol have an enantiomer?
Reply 70
Sanjetti
Perfect on all three counts. You deserve a nice break now (unless you're too pumped up from all the chemistry :p:)


yaya go me:woo:

thanks..I love chemistry..just a shame I haven't learnt much..but I have today :woo:


:biggrin:
Me too actually. Mayb I was wrong. Will change my post.

Thanks
Find the Compound Formula for AB where Ax+,ByA^{x+} , B^{y-}

Step 1. Ax++ByA^{x+} + B^{y-}

Step 2. If x=y x = y , they combine like this: AB AB

Step 3. If not...: xy \frac{x}{y} cancel down this fraction into it's simplest form, like how 24=12\frac{2}{4} = \frac{1}{2}

Step 4. Call this 'cancelled down' version of x and y as mn \frac{m}{n}

Step 5. The Compound can be written as An(B)mA_n(B)_m

Example:

1.Al3+,S2O32Al^{3+} , S_2O_3^{2-}

2. 3 is not equal to 2

3. 32\frac{3}{2}

4. 32=mn\frac{3}{2} = \frac{m}{n}

5. \therefore Formula = Al2(S2O3)3Al_2(S_2O_3)_3

Credit to GHOSH-5 for revision of post.
Reply 73
Is anyone here that has a chem degree wanting to teach chemistry as a career?:smile:
Reply 74
EierVonSatan
possibly...



oo cool:biggrin:
Reply 75
EierVonSatan
yup :yep:

Is the chiral centre the carbon thats attached to the CH2OH and the CH(CH3) groups?

(sorry of chirality has no association with enantiomers)
Reply 76
Malsi101
yaya go me:woo:

thanks..I love chemistry..just a shame I haven't learnt much..but I have today :woo:


:biggrin:

Np, yeh chemistry is great hehe. And I'm sure you'll learn a lot, and ace the AS at the end of the year. Good luck!
Reply 77
Sanjetti
Np, yeh chemistry is great hehe. And I'm sure you'll learn a lot, and ace the AS at the end of the year. Good luck!



why thank you*praysandhope*

:biggrin:you too btw:biggrin:
Reply 78
EierVonSatan
chirality is very much associated with enantiomers - carbon 2 has the chiral center - four different groups are H, CH3, C2H5 and CH2OH

Yeh that's right- Thanks
Reply 79
Malsi101
why thank you*praysandhope*

:biggrin:you too btw:biggrin:

Thank you! People are saying A2 chemistry is hell, I hope I can deal with it :s-smilie:

Oh and I see another chemistry thread has surfaced, we better transfer :p:

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