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Reply 20
Nina

Moral and political philosophy is a good choice! (The fact its my specialism has absolutely nothing to do with it :wink:) If that's the area you are interested in, I highly recommend Reading, their specialism in that area really is outstanding. Personally I've never thought of Durham to be particularly good in this area, with their emphasis more on the metaphysics and phil. mind.


Durham don't have a strong specialism in political philosophy, but it's still reasonable. Their politics department (depsite not matching the same standard as many of it other departments) is great for political thought. Bob Dyson's a god :yep: If a student is interested in political philosophy they may also have an interest in political thought (much of it overlaps, of course) and students are able to take politics modules. Durham's strongest areas probably are metaphysics, history of science and medicine and philosophy of mind.

Nina
I'd like to completely disagree with River85 about Newcastle. I went to have a look there at their Philosophical Studies course and wasn't very impressed with the standard. One of their assignments was a POSTER to be put up on the wall. It wasn't detailed, it wasn't philosophical, and looked as though it was done by late primary school/early secondary school children. I was honestly shocked that people were doing that for their degree.


When was that? I think I did say that Newcastle offers what (to me) is quite an interesting course and offers a different take on things. I think I did express caution as Newcastle still has traditional redbrick strengths (medicine, sciences, architecture). Some arts departments are excellent but I wasn't sure about the teaching quality of their philosophical studies degree.

Edit: - OK, I didn't give my usual warning about Newcastle being "redbrick". Perhaps that was in a PM of mine.
That was in late 2005 I believe. Personally that put me off straight away - I felt like I was in school. I'm aware of its strengths, I spent a lot of time there as the bloke did his undergrad and masters there (in History, which is also a very good department) - I just don't think that Philosophy is one of them.
River85
It's small, both in terms of student and staff numbers as well as the building (two decent size Georgian townhouses).



We're just talking about the philosophy department here? Well, there's a reason for that, it's not a massive, research intensive department. The research it does do, it does well, but not in great numbers. It's certainly not as intensive as KCL, Cambridge, Bristol etc. But it still exceeds most unis in terms of entry standards, graduate prospects and student satisfaction. Now, whatever you think about the inclusion of these stats it does explain why, despite its only fairly good RAE score, it outranks more research intensive departments.

So that's why it may not have the same respect amongst fellow academics as departments like English, Physics, law or History. But just because it doesn't have a fantastic number of top research staff (there's only really E J Lowe, possibly also M D Eddy and Prof. Maehle). Doesn't mean it can't match the others in undergraduate teaching. It does have some great areas, too, (moral philosophy, metaphysics, history and philosophy of medicine and science).
Indeed, just the phil. department. Fair enough, I take your points - I obviously am in no position to judge factors other than pure academic rep., which make up such an important part of undergrad education.

Not really. I don't think it's really seen a surge in applicants (although I could be wrong). I don't think it's any more popular than it was a few years back. I don't mean continue the stereotype that Durham is only good in the arts (as it does have top science departments) but it's always been known for its top arts courses, philosophy being no exception.

Back when I applied (2002) Durham was still ABB and, as far as I'm aware, Durham and LSE were the two unis with the highest typical offer outside Cambridge. Durham and LSE at ABB and Cambridge AAB. LSE increased their offer to AAB, Cambridge AAA and UCL went from having a lower typical offer to AAB/AAA. Even so, Durham still kept theirs at ABB until, as you say, recently. There are various reasons for this (haven't got time to go into them, watching Little Britain) but I don't think typical offers should be over analysed (after all, their politics department are one of only two in the country with a typical offer of AAA. It's fair to say it's not one of its strongest or most popular departments).
I make the assertion only on the basis that i've witnessed it become something of a self-fulfilling prophecy; once Durham became a fixture right at the top of the tables I heard it bandied about a lot as a first-choice, or second-choice (after Cambs, usually), seemingly at the expense of its peers. Inference leads me to the conclusion that this could only have the effect of pushing up 'entry standards', which I would expect to be reflected in an adjustment of entry requirements... which is what appeared to have happened!
Reply 23
Nina
That was in late 2005 I believe. Personally that put me off straight away - I felt like I was in school. I'm aware of its strengths, I spent a lot of time there as the bloke did his undergrad and masters there (in History, which is also a very good department) - I just don't think that Philosophy is one of them.


You know best, I'm sure. I did apply there, back in 2002, but I knew I wasn't going and never bothered checking the department out properly (despite living on the city's doorstep almost). I know the course content fairly well and do think it looks like an interesting degree. I'm also aware of some of the uni's research (due to a parternship with Durham) although I see as much from the history department and human genetics as I do from the philosophy staff. Their history department is great, like you said, and all their medical/stem cell/genetic research is world class. So I'm possibly biased by that.

My father tried to persuade me to accept Newcastle as my firm and not Durham :laugh: silly billy (Glasgow was my insurance).

But I did make it clear, in the earlier post, that it probably wasn't what the OP was looking for and, in a PM, admitted my ignorance about its teaching quality in the area and the OP should be cautious.
I also applied to Newcastle, even though I didn't think the course was up to scratch, simply because the bloke was there. I had no intention of going though.

edit: Incidentally, I was also applying for philosophy and politics at most places, so our comparisons were presumably pretty similar.
Reply 25
Nina

edit: Incidentally, I was also applying for philosophy and politics at most places, so our comparisons were presumably pretty similar.


Perhaps, although I applied for V500 everywhere (except Newcastle's human interest course). I didn't change to PhilPol until the end of my first year at Durham.
Reply 26
River85
Perhaps, although I applied for V500 everywhere (except Newcastle's human interest course). I didn't change to PhilPol until the end of my first year at Durham.


You can change to Philosophy and Politics once you're in? That's great news for me. That course really interested me but I ended up picking straight Philosophy because I didn't talk about Politics in my Personal Statement.
Reply 27
Lux Astraea
You can change to Philosophy and Politics once you're in? That's great news for me. That course really interested me but I ended up picking straight Philosophy because I didn't talk about Politics in my Personal Statement.


Yeah although you don't have a "right" to transfer. Most degree programmes have a little bit of free space and this allows a small number of current students to transfer. If you're certain you want to change it's best to ask in the first few weeks. You'll then need to write a personal statement (of sorts) and, providing it's decent enough and they have the space you'll usually be able to change.

But een if you can't, and you stay in the straight philosophy programme, you can still take a one politics module each year as your elective. They did allow you to take two but have changed it :frown:
Reply 28
Well, that's still good news. Thanks!
alrite, i hav similar dilemna, accepted by Bristol, Warwick, York and KCL (rejected by cambridge), where should i go?
I have to admit, I wasn't greatly impressed by Durham. Is it true that the vast majority take the Nietzsche part of the course? That would worry me alone.
Reply 31
edinburgh or kcl?????????? i'm so confused....
I wish I'd applied to Edinburgh. :frown:
Reply 33
I hate Philosophy of Science.
Reply 34
I am planning to study political philosophy in UK for my master degree. Which universities could you offer for me?
By the way, l studied theology at university, now l have shifted to philosophy; do you think that l have any change to get acceptance? (l have many certificates and awards from political science seminars and projects.)
Lux Astraea
I'm already considering Cambridge, but which other universities would you say are the best for a Philosophy course?

http://www.philosophicalgourmet.com/overall.asp

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