People are telling me to apply for the diploma in nursing as i'd get more money and then i can transfer to degree towards the end anyway. If this is the case then why are degrees offered, why should i do a degree over a diploma in nursing??
If you read some of the other threads about nursing it appears that nurses with a degree are first in line for promotion and as students they get to do more exciting tasks on their placements.
If you read some of the other threads about nursing it appears that nurses with a degree are first in line for promotion and as students they get to do more exciting tasks on their placements.
The funny part is, Anna's the one who said that in the thread recently lol!
The funny part is, Anna's the one who said that in the thread recently lol!
Which begs the question, why ask about something that she already knows about! I thought it was a bit weird myself, but whatever! Still got another hour and a half to kill before the next lecture - roll on 4pm.
If you read some of the other threads about nursing it appears that nurses with a degree are first in line for promotion and as students they get to do more exciting tasks on their placements.
first in line for what promotion ?
if you do an pre-reg degree you won't have all or some of the following from your 'topping up '
1. SLIP and mentor accreditation
2. speciality specific education
3. evidence of recent, relevant research in your chosen discipline
this is the kind of stuff that will be looked for in band 5 - band 6 progression ... having a degree may have been relevant in the days of whitley but post AFC where your first promtion is to a team leader / sisiter / charge nurse or Specialist Practitioner role ...
if you do an pre-reg degree you won't have all or some of the following from your 'topping up '
1. SLIP and mentor accreditation
2. speciality specific education
3. evidence of recent, relevant research in your chosen discipline
this is the kind of stuff that will be looked for in band 5 - band 6 progression ... having a degree may have been relevant in the days of whitley but post AFC where your first promtion is to a team leader / sisiter / charge nurse or Specialist Practitioner role ...
can you explain what that means please? post afc?
so basically you're saying its best to do a diploma?
Hi
if you decided to do a nursing diploma you do get more money as the bursay isnt means tested whilst the degree is means tested and u get less money.There is advantages and disadvantages with both courses.
Hi
if you decided to do a nursing diploma you do get more money as the bursay isnt means tested whilst the degree is means tested and u get less money.There is advantages and disadvantages with both courses.
yeahh im aware of the money, just not the advantages and disadvantages, i just want someone to tell me them!!!! lol
so basically you're saying its best to do a diploma?
you don't know what AFC is ?
only the biggest change in pay and TaCoS since the NHS was founded
before Agendna for change there were 2 grades for staff nurses D and E post AFC there is one - band 5 ... although in someplaces what used to be E grade roles became band 6 specialist rather than band 6 management ( former F grade ) roles
only the biggest change in pay and TaCoS since the NHS was founded
before Agendna for change there were 2 grades for staff nurses D and E post AFC there is one - band 5 ... although in someplaces what used to be E grade roles became band 6 specialist rather than band 6 management ( former F grade ) roles
i know what agenda for change is...just not the jargon used behind it, can you explain every other term you used???
only the biggest change in pay and TaCoS since the NHS was founded
before Agendna for change there were 2 grades for staff nurses D and E post AFC there is one - band 5 ... although in someplaces what used to be E grade roles became band 6 specialist rather than band 6 management ( former F grade ) roles
You need to move to a lower level. You are talking to someone who isn't even a student yet and who isn't aware of all the jargon and what it means.
so basically you're saying its best to do a diploma?
slip = supporting learners in practice
speciality specific education either relevant modules in topping up or proof of good CPD and a speciality relevant dissertation ( e.g. my background in emergency care , my dissertation is about Nurses in out of Hospital emergency care )
post AFC i.e. inthe current time when your first promotion is to band 6 and specialit and /or managerial posts rather than pre AFC where there was the D to E promotion
I'm a first year student nurse, doing the degree course, and to be honest I wish i'd chosen the diploma. It's not true that degree students get to do more exciting placements. They both do the same. Things only really change later on in the course.
If your going to be living away from home, diploma is better financially because of the bursary.
Degree courses have to work to a higher level I think in third year, but I'm not really sure if its true that they get better job offers. Your best off doing diploma and then the degree top up course at the end. But thats just my opinion.
I'm a first year student nurse, doing the degree course, and to be honest I wish i'd chosen the diploma. It's not true that degree students get to do more exciting placements. They both do the same. Things only really change later on in the course.
If your going to be living away from home, diploma is better financially because of the bursary.
Degree courses have to work to a higher level I think in third year, but I'm not really sure if its true that they get better job offers. Your best off doing diploma and then the degree top up course at the end. But thats just my opinion.
Doing a nursing degree does sometimes have its benefits being a first year you just got into the course and your placements will change when u get into your second year,when you are most likely be doing a critical care placement and another specialised placement.I do agree that doing a diploma instead of the degree you are far better off financialwise
yeahh im aware of the money, just not the advantages and disadvantages, i just want someone to tell me them!!!! lol
that's not true at all that a degree student gets more opportunities on placement - that's a load of rubbish. when you start a placement it's 'hi i'm a student' and you#re welcomed onto the ward. no one asks you whether you're a degree student or diploma student, you're all just treated as students. i started off doing diploma for the first 2 years for financial reasons, and i had exactly the same modules and placements as the rest of my cohort. only difference is in 2nd year i had to add a research module and pass it if i wanted to switch to the degree in the 3rd year.
the reason i switched is because i thought it would be good to write a dissertation, just for my own personal benefit. and then if i later found nursing wasn't for me and i wanted to apply for a job, it would look better on my CV to have a full-on degree with honors rather than jsut a diploma. the degree shows that you have the ability/organisation/determination to be able to write a dissertation.
I spoke to someone today..and they said basically the degree you do more work for less money
it seems so attractive doing the diploma..yet a part of me wants to academic push to do the degree- grr its such a hard decision!!!!!
Then why make it now? Many unis let you go for the diploma and swap to the degree later. With experience of the course and clinical under your belt you can make an informed decision.
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