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Old 01-11-2008: 1st November 2008 15:54 #1 
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would it be offensive or incorrect to say that "chemistry is based on theory rather than completely proved hypotheses"

don't want to offend the examiner!!
this is for BMAT btw. i would post it in the BMAT thread but no-one replies to me there.
 
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It's quite an ambiguous statement, what do you mean by ''completely proved''?
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Much of chemistry was proved/discovered through experimentation and empirical results.
So I'd disagree with that
 
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lol now i read over it its awful wording, what i mean is something that had been proved, like, that all living things are made of respiring cells.
 
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Originally Posted by hanzmanz
lol now i read over it its awful wording, what i mean is something that had been proved, like, that all living things are made of respiring cells.

okay, then a number of things have been proved in chemistry - it's a very experimental science. The theories (which are all just models anyway) have been generated as a result of experiments which are reproducible and so ''proved''
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i dont get it.. but arghhhh bmat.. why did you just come up with this statement in preparation?
prep for essay bit? i totallyyyy am gonna fail that hahaaa
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what you applying for that needs it?
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lol now i read over it its awful wording, what i mean is something that had been proved, like, that all living things are made of respiring cells.
Erm...I'm now totally confused. Isn't that biology anyway?
 
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Originally Posted by JennyB
i dont get it.. but arghhhh bmat.. why did you just come up with this statement in preparation?
prep for essay bit? i totallyyyy am gonna fail that hahaaa
sooo worried about it haha
what you applying for that needs it?
i'm attempting a practice essay on "You only believe what you know to be true" and failing, obviously. im applying for physiology at oxford which makes everything even more frustrating, cuz i'm not even a medic! i've left it all quite late too.. i've got section 1 down, bits of section2, but section 3 is complete fail at the moment

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Erm...I'm now totally confused. Isn't that biology anyway?
yeah, i just couldnt think of anything chemistry-related... says it all really doesnt it! arrgh. i have no idea what could possibly improve my feeble attempts at pretending i know stuff about chemistry and medicine in general in fact!!
 
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Originally Posted by hanzmanz
i'm attempting a practice essay on "You only believe what you know to be true" and failing, obviously. im applying for physiology at oxford which makes everything even more frustrating, cuz i'm not even a medic! i've left it all quite late too.. i've got section 1 down, bits of section2, but section 3 is complete fail at the moment


yeah, i just couldnt think of anything chemistry-related... says it all really doesnt it! arrgh. i have no idea what could possibly improve my feeble attempts at pretending i know stuff about chemistry and medicine in general in fact!!
Ah, I see
Maybe talking about chemistry in relation to synthesis and testing of drugs? Discovering drugs deliberately (by theory) or accidentally (experimentally)?
 
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ohh goddd i read over some specimen essays today and then thought hahaa no wayyyy.
i think its a tad unfair scrutinising our essay skills in timeframes! i can write a pretty good essay if theres no time pressure, but otherwise i find it hard to focus my ideas.
im applying for vetmed at the rvc, but hopefully they wont worry too much about how i do haha!
anddd physics! i havent done physics since GCSE so ive dug out my old revision guide hahaa
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if i post my essay plan on here could someone look over it?
 
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You only believe what you know to be true.
What relevance does this statement have to scientific thought? Advance an argument against this idea. What other factors influence scientific belief?

Intro: In a world of sensationalism and frequent exaggeration, it is often difficult to know what to believe. Of course, each individual person requires a different type and amount of proof in order to believe a piece of information. Scientists are often considered to be the most meticulous in proving a piece of information right or wrong.
Relevance to scientific thought:
-Science means “knowledge” in Latin. Very generally, the aim of science is to find and verify information about the unknown, turning this information into ‘knowledge’.
-What we know in terms of the scientific world is based on previous experience and experiments. Performing experiments allows scientists to test a hypothesis various times to see whether their results are in accordance with this hypothesis. If the same results are obtained many times, they are considered to be concordant, and the hypothesis is thus either proved correct or incorrect. Through this method, scientists ‘know’ that something is true.
Argument against:
It could be argued, however, that science relies upon the expansion of unproven ideas, as opposed to knowledge. Much scientific theory was originally thought up when a scientist challenged something which was believed to be true. For example, atoms were believed to be like the ‘plum pudding’ model. However it was not until Rutherford challenged this widely-believed model, using his gold foil experiment, that the modern atomic model was developed. Belief in only what is known to be true can limit imagination and prevent ‘thinking outside the box’, which often stimulates new ideas and ways of thinking – which can eventually prove ‘common knowledge’ wrong.
Other factors:
Experimental results- are they valid and accurate? Are they recent? How were they recorded – using modern equipment which is usually more accurate, or using subjective evidence?
Can the information be proved wrong? Sometimes scientific belief is a case of “innocent until proven guilty” – until an idea is proved wrong, as long as there is sufficient evidence, it is correct.
Conclusion:
Scientific belief always relies upon evidence - usually experimental evidence. However it often takes someone to challenge these beliefs for any theory to be improved upon or even be proved completely wrong.

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I would agree with the statement for A level chemistry. Not for the proper stuff though
 
 
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