[ForeverIsMyName]

(Original post by AbdalAziz)
I am not saying Humans are perfect, I am saying this world has been fine tuned for Human life to exist. You see if I had a chair which is missing a leg, I wouldn’t therefore rule out it having a maker, nor would I rule out it having a perfect maker.

Evolution explains that. If you fill a cup with water, you don't say 'wow, that cup was perfectly designed for that water to fit in it!'. You realise that water has the properties that allow it to take the shape of the cup, and in the same way, humans and other organisms have the ability to adapt to their environments. That far better explains life and extinctions on earth than any theory of god does. Why would god create animals, cause them to become extinct without any humans ever seeing them? Doesn't make any sense really, does it?

This is not the way things work. Just because there is plentiful of something doesn’t mean anything.

Of course it does. Simple statistics.

Actually if that was the case then there should be more planets that have life.

And how do we know that there aren't?

Well it tries and fails. I am referring to abiogenesis. And why would it, well previously you said ‘Evolution explains life on earth as we see it today very accurately.’ I think that is a bold and false statement. However, I don’t want to go into whether all living organisms have a common ancestor or not. I want to know the origin of life – how life began, how a cell can form by chance. It’s impossible. Where did all the information in the DNA molecule come from? If you were to write this down it would fill approximately 900 hundred volumes, each volume being 500 pages long. Books don't write themselves they have authors.

That is a separate scientific field, stop conflating the issues. Have you spent any time reading about abiogenesis? What books have you actually read? Any at all, or do you just read your religious accounts, and assume that there are no credible explanations that don't involve your particular brand of god? I hope it isn't the second one, but it wouldn't surprise me.

[Melancholy]

(Original post by AbdalAziz)
I am not saying Humans are perfect, I am saying this world has been fine tuned for Human life to exist. You see if I had a chair which is missing a leg, I wouldn’t therefore rule out it having a maker, nor would I rule out it having a perfect maker.

In an infinite universe the chance of this "perfect" world existing is one. Indeed, the chances of there being a more "perfected" world is one. The chances of other life existing is "one". Of course, we don't need to include this extra hypothesis of there being an infinite universe (which can be tested using our understanding of physics - an understanding of physics which has been tested in many scenarios with great success [i.e. you feel safe on a plane]). Instead, we can say that it makes sense that creatures that are adapted to their surroundings necessarily survive. And then we're into the grounds of biology and evolution.

I also think that the goldfish bowl analogy shows that this anthropic principle works both ways.

[Scientific Calculator]

(Original post by ForeverIsMyName)
Nothing substantial to say. Big surprise.

Its more substantial than anything you ever posted, my dear dear confused little tsr buddy. I'd be careful what you belittle.

[ForeverIsMyName]

(Original post by Scientific Calculator)
Its more substantial than anything you ever posted, my dear dear confused little tsr buddy. I'd be careful what you belittle.

I'm not the person claiming to have the knowledge to revolutionise an entire scientific field. You are.

So, lets hear it, or are you going to bail out?

[Aimie]

If there are arguments against God's existence then He must Exist!

[ForeverIsMyName]

(Original post by Aimie)
If there are arguments against God's existence then He must Exist!

Great logic.

[serrated_colon]

If there are arguments against me being a woman(the fact that I have a penis and my chromosomes are XY) then I'm a woman! Right?

[Aimie]

(Original post by serrated_colon)
If there are arguments against me being a woman(the fact that I have a penis and my chromosomes are XY) then I'm a woman! Right?

Use your head, dude

[ForeverIsMyName]

(Original post by Aimie)
Use your head, dude

There are argument against the existence of the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot.

[serrated_colon]

Aimie, please don't give me any dignity. Assume I'm an idiot not capable of following basic logic and explain to me why your argument is any different in its intrinsic absurdity than mine.

[Aimie]

It is simple logic like Foreverismyname pointed out.

Once you 'objectify' something, it begins to exist.
i never claimed it was valid or true or right or whatever, i just stated
something, then you came along with a statement that was out of point
hence, the reason i asked you to use your head.

[Aimie]

(Original post by ForeverIsMyName)
There are argument against the existence of the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot.

Yup.

Two reasons why these cannot be compared to the 'God' phenomenon.

1, people claimed to have seen these monsters, even with footage.lol.
2, they are localized. Loch ness hasnt been 'sighted' in the rivers/lakes in my country, neither can bigfoot exist in the rain forest.

Still, am i to say hey, they dont exist...i really dont care and i live my life that way.
The problem with Atheists is that they do care (hence the various stipulations and argumentations), therefore God must Exist! lol

[ForeverIsMyName]

(Original post by Aimie)
Yup.

Two reasons why these cannot be compared to the 'God' phenomenon.

1, people claimed to have seen these monsters, even with footage.lol.
2, they are localized. Loch ness hasnt been 'sighted' in the rivers/lakes in my country, neither can bigfoot exist in the rain forest.

So your original argument - notably that an argument against something was evidence of its existence - is utterly wrong.

Still, am i to say hey, they dont exist...i really dont care and i live my life that way.
The problem with Atheists is that they do care (hence the various stipulations and argumentations), therefore God must Exist! lol

Perhaps they are tired of pushy, judgemental religious folk ruining the quality of life for everyone hmm?

[Aimie]

(Original post by ForeverIsMyName)
So your original argument - notably that an argument against something was evidence of its existence - is utterly wrong.



Perhaps they are tired of pushy, judgemental religious folk ruining the quality of life for everyone hmm?

Yeap it could be wrong, so could every other thing.
but if you think 'IT' doesnt exist, it then begins to exist somewhere, either in your mind or where it has been existing all along.

If they are tired of religious folk, they should fight religious folk, i know too many people who believe there is a supreme being, a creator, a God..who arent 'religious'

Voltaire said, the truth must exist somewhere inbetween <God Exists and God doesnt exist>
and if i knew the Truth, then i would be God.

[ForeverIsMyName]

(Original post by Aimie)
Yeap it could be wrong, so could every other thing.
but if you think 'IT' doesnt exist, it then begins to exist somewhere, either in your mind or where it has been existing all along.

If they are tired of religious folk, they should fight religious folk, i know too many people who believe there is a supreme being, a creator, a God..who arent 'religious'

Voltaire said, the truth must exist somewhere inbetween <God Exists and God doesnt exist>
and if i knew the Truth, then i would be God.

I can't discern any nuggets of information from this babble. Sorry.

[serrated_colon]

(Original post by Aimie)
Yup.

Two reasons why these cannot be compared to the 'God' phenomenon.

1, people claimed to have seen these monsters, even with footage.lol.
2, they are localized. Loch ness hasnt been 'sighted' in the rivers/lakes in my country, neither can bigfoot exist in the rain forest.

Still, am i to say hey, they dont exist...i really dont care and i live my life that way.
The problem with Atheists is that they do care (hence the various stipulations and argumentations), therefore God must Exist! lol

Yay! Some skewed version of Descartes'/Anselm's ontological argument.
Well I'd like to introduce you to Gaunilo's Island.

If one can have say, a conception of what a perfect island is, it'd have everything you ever wanted in it but also an intrinsic quality of this perfect island is that...it would have to exist to be perfect. If I drew a conclusion thus that this island exists, you'd tell me(hopefully) that I'm wrong until there's proof of this island's existence! Well I'd tell you that all of this IS proof that this island exists.

This is the same thing with 'God'. You say that it has an intrinsic quality of existence yet use its very conception to prove this. It utilises linguistic ambiguities and flawed premises to 'prove' God's existence.

[Aimie]

(Original post by ForeverIsMyName)
I can't discern any nuggets of information from this babble. Sorry.

No problemo, i wasnt trying to write a text book, sorry.

[Aimie]

(Original post by serrated_colon)
Yay! Some skewed version of Descartes'/Anselm's ontological argument.
Well I'd like to introduce you to Gaunilo's Island.

If one can have say, a conception of what a perfect island is, it'd have everything you ever wanted in it but also an intrinsic quality of this perfect island is that...it would have to exist to be perfect. If I drew a conclusion thus that this island exists, you'd tell me(hopefully) that I'm wrong until there's proof of this island's existence! Well I'd tell you that all of this IS proof that this island exists.

This is the same thing with 'God'. You say that it has an intrinsic quality of existence yet use its very conception to prove this. It utilises linguistic ambiguities and flawed premises to 'prove' God's existence.

yeap it probably does.

[serrated_colon]

If you're saying my perfect island exists then I need to find out where the island full of beautiful women capable of philosophical debate during intercourse is at.

[Aimie]

(Original post by serrated_colon)
If you're saying my perfect island exists then I need to find out where the island full of beautiful women capable of philosophical debate during intercourse is at.

good luck in your search!

the possibilities are endless