Someone I know is/was a spiritualist. He lived happily until the person who used his belief, which came about as the result of the death of his father, to control him, died.
(Original post by justmyopinions)
Maybe, maybe not. That is the only thing that we are 100% certain of. Nothing is impossible, but nothing is certain.
P.S. It makes me happier to be a Christian, so it means I live a better life
P.S.S. I was born into a non-religious household.
Ive never seen someone collapse so quickly. Cant help thinking it may have been better if he'd bore the brunt of reality when it really hurt. Granted spiritualism is nonsense on steroids but similar could happen in richard hammond type ways. Its a risk. Happiness reliant on a house of cards. Walking into a blizzard when your not strong enough anymore. A sad, undignified end.
Last edited by green.tea; 16-05-2012 at 01:58.
In the same way s homeopathy. Could be true..
(Original post by SaintSoldier)
I know this probably seems like a stupid example to most atheists, but ever since I started taking my religion more seriously (when I was 14), I haven't once been ill, I haven't even had a cough or cold since then. Before that I used to be the kid who was always off school for one reason or another.
I'm not saying that validates my religion or anything, but that's just my personal experience.
Thats the strongest argument i can think of in favour of religion. But theres my above point. Also belief in ones bodies abilities to fend off infections, in ones mind to do great things. Belief in ones self would i think work just as well. Interesting that this way of thinking, belief in the greatness of ones self, based on ones own power of reason would be to some extent propped up by he ability to live in harsh reality as opposed to the belief in the greatness of another over ones self which is propped up by the thought of another and ones dislike for the harshness of reality. They seem in this way to be opposites with the same result regarding the experience you describe.
Last edited by green.tea; 16-05-2012 at 02:31.
Trouble is tho if everyones doing as god says people can control huge swathes of people by making god say something else. If people put trust in reason that would only happen if someone was several levels above everyone else in terms of smarts. If people believed primarily in themselves and their own ability to think then sure youd have feelings of anger and hate largely unchecked by anything perceived as above but youd have complete human beings. Capable of striking at those who treat them badly, of loving family, of bonds of friendship. Most importantly they can only fight for a cause when that cause is backed by reason or injustice directly affecting the individual in question. The idea we get from religion round these parts is that many human feelings are just bad. I disagree. If someone steals my fags ill get angry and punch them. If he continues to steal my fags ill hate him and be not very nice. Hence people know not to steal my fags, but to go and steal a christians fags instead.
(Original post by ChubbyWatermelon)
I believe God to be a symbol of faith.
THere is a difference in KNOWING it god exists and believing he exists.
Despite the fact that we might never know the answer to this question, one must take a consequentialist view. God is a powerful tool, which can be a weapon to implement war or peace. Can bring happiness or sadness. millions of people are united my one common (and possibly imaginary) entity.
If someone is unbalanced, too much anger making them hit someone who bumps into them. Too much love meaning homer simpson thinks he can furnish his garage with your tools. Thats the problem. Not perfectly healthy human feelings but illness. So gods still all wrong from a consequentialist perspective. And thats without even getting on to the sex obsession with its condom denying african missionaries.
Oh and we can know. Its quite simple. Go down to your hospitals cardiac dept, call over a doctor and stick your fingers in a power socket. 100 kudos to anyone who actually does this.
Any writing that tells of a philosophical viewpoint should end "Thats what I reckon anyway. Take from it that which makes sense to you".
Last edited by green.tea; 16-05-2012 at 06:02.
Is it tho? Humans could die out and it could be highly evolved lions that create simulations of the past. By typing that you got their attention so now theres several lions in your room.
(Original post by SMed)
Still think you're getting bogged down in semantics of language. "I believe there is not a lion in my room" is a reasonable statement.
Last edited by green.tea; 16-05-2012 at 09:16.