[Cringe]

(Original post by Gofre)
You may be right, but just because we don't understand something doesn't mean you can say that's evidence for god.

No, but the likelihood of creation is highly likely ; can you name one thing thats created without a creator? Even smallest bacteria need the right conditions.

[chickenonsteroids]

(Original post by Cringe)
No, but the likelihood of creation is highly likely ; can you name one thing thats created without a creator? Even smallest bacteria need the right conditions.

Nearly everything natural. Trees weren't created. Artificial things were created by man, natural things happened because of natural processes. So 'creation' might seem right (because of us creating things) but it doesn't mean that everything that is, has been created by something. If you were to say that God wasn't created, you'd only be doing it through definition.

[SsEe]

(Original post by Cringe)
can you name one thing thats created without a creator?

Isn't that begging the question? If it was created then by definition it has a creator. The non-leading question would be "can you name one thing that doesn't have a creator?". I can think of examples and so can theists. I don't know anybody who thinks that all things require a creator.

[Gofre]

(Original post by Cringe)
No, but the likelihood of creation is highly likely ; can you name one thing thats created without a creator? Even smallest bacteria need the right conditions.

You're presupposing the universe is created, you need to provide evidence for that first.

[ZeeAli]

Have you not seen previous posts! This is a forever blinding topic. P.s i say yes

[mmmpie]

(Original post by Cringe)
No, but the likelihood of creation is highly likely ; can you name one thing thats created without a creator? Even smallest bacteria need the right conditions.

Indeed, everything that was created must by definition have a creator - the terms are synonymous in this context.

But a tautology doesn't tell us much. You still have to show that the universe, or bacteria, are "created things" and not simply "things".

[elkana]

(Original post by Gofre)
, I have no doubt it would not shake the majority of religious peoples' faith.

correct

[Ridingmyego]

An existence of a Creator is quite difficult to dissprove. However, if such a Creator does exist, and did indeed create the Cosmos, then it would still be hard to make the link between a Creator and the God described in the Bible who judges us based on our moral choices. Personally, I fully accept that there may be a Higher Power, but as the nature of such a Power described in the Bible is extremely vile, cruel, and capricious, then I would never follow his rule. Most organised religion contains a basis of totalitarianism and sadomasichism. Totalitarian, as it threatens those who do not believe in God with the punishment of burning in enternal fire (Revelation 21:8). And sadomasochistic because it forces a person to love a God who they must fear. I believe this to be morally incorrect. Therefore if a God does exist, I would certainly not follow his rule.

[Ridingmyego]

The main point that Creationists cling to is the idea that "Nihilo ex nihilo fin". The very groovy idea that nothing can come from nothing. Therefore they believe there must be a Creator to create something out of nothing. However, something can become nothing. A vacuum is a space empty of matter. Therefore if something was to fall into a vacuum, then it would cease to exist materialistically. If something can become nothing, then it's only fair to presume that something can come from nothing, which contradicts all arguments for Creation.

[heyhey922]

(Original post by Cringe)
Even smallest bacteria need the right conditions.

How does bacteria growth being optimal with warmth and water act as evidence towards creationism?

[KingMessi]

(Original post by elkana)
correct

That's not a good thing, by the by. Having unshakeable faith in a concept or belief whether it has convincing evidence in its favour or not isn't advisable.

[kim92]

i believe that during primitive societies, religion served as a cohesive function in society, bringing people together as a community and outlining the main laws of morality i.e. the ten commandments.

however, since then, religion has been used as a way to scare people into following rules and authority. religion has since become a form of destruction and intolerance, arguing that if one does not believe in Jesus or God, that they will burn in hell for eternity. one question i have is how can one be expected to "love" God and Jesus if they do not even know them?! you cant force someone to love them and just because they don't naturally love them, then they are doomed? doesnt sound very fair. if there is a God, then surely God would have predicted that this person would not love him. Then why did He create this person? was it just to watch someone suffer? they know it is going to happen and therefore God must not be so benevolent after all...if God was kind, He wouldnt have allowed him to be born at all! throughout the years, religion has been used to scare people and make them do extreme things in order to follow God and what He wants. Yes at first, people seemed to have followed the Bible and Torah and Koran properly, promoting charity, peace, love, and kindness. But throughout time, people used religion to murder as sacrifices, such as Pagans on Mayday to make their crops grow. Religion has managed to convince people to kill other human beings and animals all because "God told me to". as well as this, terrorists are convinced that God wants them to kill hundreds of people in suicide bombs because God wants these people to die apparently. nowhere in the bible or torah or any scripture does it say that God wants to kill these people for these reasons. as well as this, it has made the process of tolerance for homosexuals so much slower than it should be! people are blamed for the way they are born and are hated for it. by doing that, these people are no better than nazis. you cant judge someone and hate them without knowing them all because a book told you to. people need to think bigger and realise that you cant just say you believe in something when you have absolutely no empirical evidence of any kind. arguing that the universe is proof that god exists is preposterous. just because we don't know how the universe was created doesnt mean that the answer has to be God. there could be another factor outside the big bang theory and God that we don't even know yet! people who believe are so completely ignorant as they dont even allow the idea of there being another reason besides God to even enter their mind! The same thing goes to atheists arguing firmly that God DOES NOT exist. one just simply cannot make this assumption when they have no proof. they need to either verify or falsify this claim and until this has happened, we may as well not speak about it and discuss the subject of God because we will never know the answer. People open your eyes!!!!

[chickenonsteroids]

(Original post by kim92)
i believe that during primitive societies, religion served as a cohesive function in society, bringing people together as a community and outlining the main laws of morality i.e. the ten commandments.

however, since then, religion has been used as a way to scare people into following rules and authority. religion has since become a form of destruction and intolerance, arguing that if one does not believe in Jesus or God, that they will burn in hell for eternity. one question i have is how can one be expected to "love" God and Jesus if they do not even know them?! you cant force someone to love them and just because they don't naturally love them, then they are doomed? doesnt sound very fair. if there is a God, then surely God would have predicted that this person would not love him. Then why did He create this person? was it just to watch someone suffer? they know it is going to happen and therefore God must not be so benevolent after all...if God was kind, He wouldnt have allowed him to be born at all! throughout the years, religion has been used to scare people and make them do extreme things in order to follow God and what He wants. Yes at first, people seemed to have followed the Bible and Torah and Koran properly, promoting charity, peace, love, and kindness. But throughout time, people used religion to murder as sacrifices, such as Pagans on Mayday to make their crops grow. Religion has managed to convince people to kill other human beings and animals all because "God told me to". as well as this, terrorists are convinced that God wants them to kill hundreds of people in suicide bombs because God wants these people to die apparently. nowhere in the bible or torah or any scripture does it say that God wants to kill these people for these reasons. as well as this, it has made the process of tolerance for homosexuals so much slower than it should be! people are blamed for the way they are born and are hated for it. by doing that, these people are no better than nazis. you cant judge someone and hate them without knowing them all because a book told you to. people need to think bigger and realise that you cant just say you believe in something when you have absolutely no empirical evidence of any kind. arguing that the universe is proof that god exists is preposterous. just because we don't know how the universe was created doesnt mean that the answer has to be God. there could be another factor outside the big bang theory and God that we don't even know yet! people who believe are so completely ignorant as they dont even allow the idea of there being another reason besides God to even enter their mind! The same thing goes to atheists arguing firmly that God DOES NOT exist. one just simply cannot make this assumption when they have no proof. they need to either verify or falsify this claim and until this has happened, we may as well not speak about it and discuss the subject of God because we will never know the answer. People open your eyes!!!!

Paragraphs make reading fun.They really do.

[imasupercoolgeek]

(Original post by Democracy)
I don't know, and I believe no one can say with a 100% certainty either way.

First post in what will be a million post thread

I'm 110% certain Jesus is real.


This was posted from The Student Room's iPhone/iPad App

[kim92]

(Original post by chickenonsteroids)
Paragraphs make reading fun.They really do.

oh i'm sorry, i thought you were genuinely interested in the topic and not my paragraph spacing! would it make it easier for you to read if i wrote 2 lines and then did a paragraph for you? if that's all you took from my message then you really are a simpleton.

[chickenonsteroids]

(Original post by kim92)
oh i'm sorry, i thought you were genuinely interested in the topic and not my paragraph spacing! would it make it easier for you to read if i wrote 2 lines and then did a paragraph for you? if that's all you took from my message then you really are a simpleton.

Don't worry I read it. But paragraphs do actually help. Just rambling on and on without a single line break takes away from the message. Formatting does actually help.

I'm sure you've realised this already though. You were just extremely lazy or didn't know how to use the enter button. Either way, start using paragraphs.

[sil3nt_cha0s]

(Original post by kim92)
i believe that during primitive societies, religion served as a cohesive function in society, bringing people together as a community and outlining the main laws of morality i.e. the ten commandments.

however, since then, religion has been used as a way to scare people into following rules and authority. religion has since become a form of destruction and intolerance, arguing that if one does not believe in Jesus or God, that they will burn in hell for eternity. one question i have is how can one be expected to "love" God and Jesus if they do not even know them?! you cant force someone to love them and just because they don't naturally love them, then they are doomed? doesnt sound very fair. if there is a God, then surely God would have predicted that this person would not love him. Then why did He create this person? was it just to watch someone suffer? they know it is going to happen and therefore God must not be so benevolent after all...if God was kind, He wouldnt have allowed him to be born at all! throughout the years, religion has been used to scare people and make them do extreme things in order to follow God and what He wants. Yes at first, people seemed to have followed the Bible and Torah and Koran properly, promoting charity, peace, love, and kindness. But throughout time, people used religion to murder as sacrifices, such as Pagans on Mayday to make their crops grow. Religion has managed to convince people to kill other human beings and animals all because "God told me to". as well as this, terrorists are convinced that God wants them to kill hundreds of people in suicide bombs because God wants these people to die apparently. nowhere in the bible or torah or any scripture does it say that God wants to kill these people for these reasons. as well as this, it has made the process of tolerance for homosexuals so much slower than it should be! people are blamed for the way they are born and are hated for it. by doing that, these people are no better than nazis. you cant judge someone and hate them without knowing them all because a book told you to. people need to think bigger and realise that you cant just say you believe in something when you have absolutely no empirical evidence of any kind. arguing that the universe is proof that god exists is preposterous. just because we don't know how the universe was created doesnt mean that the answer has to be God. there could be another factor outside the big bang theory and God that we don't even know yet! people who believe are so completely ignorant as they dont even allow the idea of there being another reason besides God to even enter their mind! The same thing goes to atheists arguing firmly that God DOES NOT exist. one just simply cannot make this assumption when they have no proof. they need to either verify or falsify this claim and until this has happened, we may as well not speak about it and discuss the subject of God because we will never know the answer. People open your eyes!!!!

verifying your claim vs falsifying the opposing claim

which do you consider most important?

[SaintSoldier]

(Original post by Hypocrism)
1) Cherry picking. There are just as many inaccuracies in Sikhism as any other religion which searches its scripture to find anything that resembles scientific truth.

"You Yourself created the Earth and the two lamps: the Sun and the Moon" (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 83).

The Moon doesn't give off light like a lamp or like the sun.

2) Also, many of your examples are clearly either ignorant of facts or interpreted to fit science, not the other way round.Example:

"“Many times has the creation been created and expanded.”
(Guru Granth Sahib, Page 276) "

Actually, this probably isn't true. The universe is almost certainly flat, meaning there is only ever a single big bang.

3) The shallow quotes you give still don't come close to the accuracy of science or the wonderful depth that we can see in our world. Sagan's quote stands, the religion you follow is very shallow in terms of awe and holds no real scientific relevance.

Ah I'm so sorry I didn't reply to this earlier, I was off TSR for a while due to exams and I got quoted so many times that I must have missed this one out!

I'll reply to this soon, but right now I'm a little busy so it'll have to wait.

(Original post by Charzhino)
Most of Sikh descriptions of the universe are based on the Hindu scriptures centuries ago which go in more detail which is the case for most religions.

Your religion is a laughing stock, and so are you.

"I do not believe in the various religions nor do I follow Rama, the Puranas or the Qur'an. The Smrities, Shastras and Vedas all try to describe You (God), but I do not agree with any of them. Oh Great Wielder of the Sword (God), I have written this with your grace" - Guru Gobind Singh
(Benti Chaupai, Dasam Granth)

/discussion.

[Charzhino]

(Original post by SaintSoldier)

Your religion is a laughing stock, and so are you.

"I do not believe in the various religions nor do I follow Rama, the Puranas or the Qur'an. The Smrities, Shastras and Vedas all try to describe You (God), but I do not agree with any of them. Oh Great Wielder of the Sword (God), I have written this with your grace" - Guru Gobind Singh
(Benti Chaupai, Dasam Granth)

/discussion.

Thanks for avoiding my statement and posting a useless verse.

[PleasentlyConfused]

NOBODY FREAKING KNOWS, AND PROBABLY NEVER WILL.
So let's just carry on with our lives.