[Ama2007]

(Original post by garfeeled)
You claim masses of evidence yet provide none. Must there be a purpose to everyone and everything, and if yes how does that prove god perhaps purpose is self given not divinely given. Next show that there must be something to create us, not only that show that are creator wasn't created as well.

Confused about the exam bit. It sounds a bit like pascals wager which is an incredibly weak argument. What happens if god wants to be worshiped out of faith not fear. The fact that a heaven and hell exist makes god a dickhead and practical everyone more moral than him. Plus which god or gods should i worship it provides not evidence there. Also theres homers wager "if i believe in the wrong god each time i worship him i just make the true god madder and madder therefor don't worship god" that has as much standing as your argument

lastly your saying god exist because you want him to which is pointless. also if your god is causing the death and pain in the universe for a reason Why he could do it without pain and what reason would be god enough. Also god isn't giving us a choice about that pain what happens if i don't believe the reason is good enough do i get killed anyway. And from the way it sound we could do without him, based on your argument if god stopped acting we would end up in a perfect world with no pain or poverty.

As Hitchens said what can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without any and your argument has none at all.

Cheerio im of an holiday for the week.

Do you know why...i thought i could get some sense into this thread...but no...it seems all that is left is the 'non-believers/bored people' on here trying to convince themselves...so i thought this is a total waste of time...no insult to all the intelligent people on here. At the end of the day its down to you whether you believe or not coz god dont give a dam...you get a choice...and then there is always consequences to ones choice regardless what they choose.

Enjoy

[sil3nt_cha0s]

(Original post by Ama2007)
Do you know why...i thought i could get some sense into this thread...but no...it seems all that is left is the 'non-believers/bored people' on here trying to convince themselves...so i thought this is a total waste of time...no insult to all the intelligent people on here. At the end of the day its down to you whether you believe or not coz god dont give a dam...you get a choice...and then there is always consequences to ones choice regardless what they choose.

Enjoy

Why don't you post some evidence of God so we can have a constructive debate? You say there is 'plenty of evidence' so I'm sure you could post a few things

[WhatsHisFace]

(Original post by sil3nt_cha0s)
Why don't you post some evidence of God so we can have a constructive debate? You say there is 'plenty of evidence' so I'm sure you could post a few things

There's clearly too much evidence for us non- believers to comprehend. You know, 'cause we're non- believers and all.

[mddub39]

I don't believe so, but hey everyone is allowed there own opinion. The basis of my claim is that God is merely someone that those in less fortunate positions can pray to and he becomes their sort of hope, or salvation. Around the globe it's very noticeable that religion is more common amongst those with less money or in a less fortunate circumstance, the Americans are the exception, but American christians are generally nutjobs.

[Antichrist666]

Scientists know the answer:no.We have proof that evolution happened,we have fossil records,we know how the planets were formed.WHAT MORE PROOF DO WE NEED?!

[Stiff Little Fingers]

(Original post by Antichrist666)
Scientists know the answer:no.We have proof that evolution happened,we have fossil records,we know how the planets were formed.WHAT MORE PROOF DO WE NEED?!

While I agree with your over-all opinion, those aren't really proof that a deity doesn't exist, they simply invalidate claims made by religions, but not the existence of a God. Science will never be able to prove there is no God - all it will be able to do is reduce God's influence on the earth and cosmos to pretty much nothing.

[Antichrist666]

Here's how the universe was made:everything used a hot and dense state that expanded very fast.The expansion caused everything to cool and become what it is now.

[KingMessi]

(Original post by Ama2007)
Do you know why...i thought i could get some sense into this thread...but no...it seems all that is left is the 'non-believers/bored people' on here trying to convince themselves...so i thought this is a total waste of time...no insult to all the intelligent people on here. At the end of the day its down to you whether you believe or not coz god dont give a dam...you get a choice...and then there is always consequences to ones choice regardless what they choose.

Enjoy

I profess myself to be confused. What sense or cogent reasoning have you bought into this thread?

[garfeeled]

(Original post by Ama2007)
Do you know why...i thought i could get some sense into this thread...but no...it seems all that is left is the 'non-believers/bored people' on here trying to convince themselves...so i thought this is a total waste of time...no insult to all the intelligent people on here. At the end of the day its down to you whether you believe or not coz god dont give a dam...you get a choice...and then there is always consequences to ones choice regardless what they choose.

Enjoy

Saying I lack intelligence doesn't change the fact you haven't answered any of the counter arguments which shows you know your arguments are poor. The fact you try to insult me shows that you lack the intelligence to come up with a better argument.
Also you contradict yourself if god didn't give a damn about what anyone believes then there would be no consequences because of it.

[Fingersmith]

We need to separate god from religion. All religions are demonstrably man-made; the old ones just as much as the bonkers new ones. (Why don't women invent religions?) They are various people's explanations of the (at the time) inexplicable although the more successful ones also have lots rules built in for social control - very popular amongst the religious. Of course we now have completely cogent explanations for many but not all of these mysteries, and are discovering more all time (eg Higgs' boson). Of course a god or gods could exist to explain the bits we still don't know (Dawkins' 'gap' theory) but is it really the most likely explanation for existence?

I have a strong feeling that man creating god in his own image is an act of typical human vanity; we are so special, we can't just be a result of natural physics: we must have been created for a special purpose. Personally I think the universe and all that's in it are awesome enough without being a DIY project of the big head in the sky. Humanity has a spiritual and creative nature and we are generally more inclined to good than evil but this doesn't have to be explained by magic.

...and of course the reason for the regular appearance of this thread is that gods' existence or otherwise can't be proved but (Dawkins again) the odds are highly stacked against it. I just can't see any reason why there should be a god.

[Ama2007]

(Original post by garfeeled)
Saying I lack intelligence doesn't change the fact you haven't answered any of the counter arguments which shows you know your arguments are poor. The fact you try to insult me shows that you lack the intelligence to come up with a better argument.
Also you contradict yourself if god didn't give a damn about what anyone believes then there would be no consequences because of it.

Wrong

If he is not affected by what we do that doesnt imply there is no consequences. That means there is a choice just like there are choices to be made everyday of your life and there are consequences. God doesnt have to be personally affected by us...if he does then imagine what state he would be in if everytime someone disbelieved or blamed or natural diseaseters on him...imagine that...why i fail to see why its so hard for you to understand the need for someone more powereful than all creation to have brought this...its a simple concept however i do believe it needs time for some...

It takes too much of time when your so certain there is no god...if i had nothing to day then fair enought i will set here and bring all the evidence there is to prove to you there is god...but i cant am afraid you have to do without me

[Stiff Little Fingers]

(Original post by Ama2007)
Wrong

If he is not affected by what we do that doesnt imply there is no consequences. That means there is a choice just like there are choices to be made everyday of your life and there are consequences. God doesnt have to be personally affected by us...if he does then imagine what state he would be in if everytime someone disbelieved or blamed or natural diseaseters on him...imagine that...why i fail to see why its so hard for you to understand the need for someone more powereful than all creation to have brought this...its a simple concept however i do believe it needs time for some...

I assume by "brought this" you mean the universe and everything in it?

If so, it doesn't need someone more powerful - the universe can have been formed without anyone to guide it (watch "A Universe From Nothing" on youtube).

It's a simple concept because it removes all need for thought and analysis - there's no questioning and exploration to be made when you can just "answer" anything with "God did it". The reason some people don't accept this concept is because it's not a good enough answer - and frankly they're right to do so, we should never be happy with just vague, basic answers.

It takes too much of time when your so certain there is no god...if i had nothing to day then fair enought i will set here and bring all the evidence there is to prove to you there is god...but i cant am afraid you have to do without me

If you have no intentions of providing the evidence you claim exists, then don't claim it exists. If you want to present a point, then when simple enquiries into those points are made, you need to defend them and present reasoning.

[garfeeled]

(Original post by Ama2007)
Wrong

If he is not affected by what we do that doesnt imply there is no consequences. That means there is a choice just like there are choices to be made everyday of your life and there are consequences. God doesnt have to be personally affected by us...if he does then imagine what state he would be in if everytime someone disbelieved or blamed or natural diseaseters on him...imagine that...why i fail to see why its so hard for you to understand the need for someone more powereful than all creation to have brought this...its a simple concept however i do believe it needs time for some...

It takes too much of time when your so certain there is no god...if i had nothing to day then fair enought i will set here and bring all the evidence there is to prove to you there is god...but i cant am afraid you have to do without me

In that case use correct vocabulary, your use of the phrase doesn't give a damn suggest god wouldn't care. Also you'r special pleading by saying we need a creator but our creator doesn't need one. Also im not certain there's no god, I'm certain, however, that no one has provided me with evidence that there is one. Lastly if you have evidence to prove god but don't give it surely then it's your fault if I go to hell, and anyone for that matter. So yes I as a atheist am asking you a person certain god exists to provide evidence of that, if you can't then just except that your belief is baseless.

[WhatsHisFace]

(Original post by garfeeled)
In that case use correct vocabulary, your use of the phrase doesn't give a damn suggest god wouldn't care. Also you'r special pleading by saying we need a creator but our creator doesn't need one. Also im not certain there's no god, I'm certain, however, that no one has provided me with evidence that there is one. Lastly if you have evidence to prove god but don't give it surely then it's your fault if I go to hell, and anyone for that matter. So yes I as a atheist am asking you a person certain god exists to provide evidence of that, if you can't then just except that your belief is baseless.

God was created by his God, durr.

[Converse Rocker]

(Original post by Antichrist666)
Scientists know the answer:no.We have proof that evolution happened,we have fossil records,we know how the planets were formed.WHAT MORE PROOF DO WE NEED?!

You can be religious and believe in evolution, to be fair.

(Original post by Antichrist666)
Here's how the universe was made:everything used a hot and dense state that expanded very fast.The expansion caused everything to cool and become what it is now.

This is just a theory. It's a theory I believe most likely to be true, but it's still a theory.

(Original post by Ama2007)
i will set here and bring all the evidence there is to prove to you there is god...but i cant am afraid you have to do without me

Well when you do find the time to type a sentence on the internet, feel free to come back and enlighten us all with this proof you speak of.

[L'art pour l'art]

(Original post by Converse Rocker)
This is just a theory.

That's one of the buzzwords of ignorance when it comes to these debates.

[Converse Rocker]

(Original post by L'art pour l'art)
That's one of the buzzwords of ignorance when it comes to these debates.

What do you mean? I only pointed out that the 'Big Bang' remains a theory, but despite this I still believe it to be the best explanation. I'm not sure what you mean when you say I am being ignorant.

Edit: I'm not trying to discredit the Big Bang because it's a theory, I'm aware that a scientific theory is about as close to certainty as you can get. Sorry if I made that unclear

[Hypocrism]

(Original post by Converse Rocker)
What do you mean? I only pointed out that the 'Big Bang' remains a theory, but despite this I still believe it to be the best explanation. I'm not sure what you mean when you say I am being ignorant.

Because theory is the highest level of certainty in science.

[Converse Rocker]

(Original post by Hypocrism)
Because theory is the highest level of certainty in science.

But not an absolute certainty, which the other poster made it out to be. Apologies if I made that unclear.

[Hypocrism]

(Original post by Converse Rocker)
But not an absolute certainty, which the other poster made it out to be. Apologies if I made that unclear.

Still, saying something is "just" a theory is what triggers people to treat you like a creationist who says "evolution is only a theory" or "the big bang is only a theory" to justify holding their incorrect beliefs. Avoid using words of doubt around scientific theories unless you're presenting some kind of evidence, because theories are so well founded that every scientist knows they may as well be called facts.