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I went from being depressed to being normal to being depressed, but one thing keeps bugging me... whatever i do, there is no answer to that question! So? Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism, Taoism, Hedonism, anything you offer, does it have an everlasting meaning?
We are born into an unfathomable existence, on a tiny patch of space called earth that is itself a speck of dust in the galaxy that is a speck of dust in the infinite universe, and not only that, but during your entire lifespan, you will die on an even smaller patch of space on THAT Earth.
Religious people, what's the point of "Heaven", "Hell" or "Brahman" or any other mind-concoctions? That's the one thing I never really got. I don't want to be reincarnated or reunite with any Brahman, i don't want to live a blissful existence that is in itself meaningless (isn't it bound to get repetitive as well - experiencing incessant eternal orgasms and ergo not having time to consider the meaninglessness of it all?), I have no desire to commit to a life of hedonism here because that is boring as well.
So... since life is an inexplicable mystery and a torture chamber, how cruel is that we are alive? The more I think of it, the more I realize that religion does not bring meaning to life but rather, further consolidates the nihilistic meaninglessness of it all! Did it ever happen, that a guy hates Atheism as much as he hates Religion, but reaches that conclusion since in the face of one-sideness and daily monotony of life, there is nothing better to do?
In short terms, how is it possible for someone like me (don't know if there are any others) to live if two of the biggest alternatives in the world (Atheism, Theism and everything inbetween) are not satisfactory?
So if I don't belong to any category, then whats the point of waking up every morning? From that point on, it seems as suicide is the best way to cork out your brain, no responsibility, no depression, no aspirations, worries or anything else, isn't that the perfect drug?
How vain it all is. Every human category. Love, Sex, Art, etc etc. People getting fatter, people getting leaner, hunks & jocks vs pickup artists and the usual joes..., movies, learning... working... why? Who asked that "something" to bring me and countless others who wondered about the same question to to that existence? Why did I have to be coaxed? Why not just give it all to us at the outset, at least if that was case the meaninglessness could be worth something until you're dead? Why does medicine exist, why do our bodies fail, why is there anything at all, and that magical "anything" created a world that is so far away from being "fun"? Am I ever gonna get the answer to that or should I, as had been advised here countless times, "wizen up" and self-indulge in the mystery? But what would be the point of that?
Guys, do u understand what i'm trying to say here? Without any appeal to ignorance or pity, why is it that no matter how good you try to think the world is, how optimistic everything is and how purposeful the world is, how everything is going according to plan, how you're gonna end up being successful, with a wonderful career and a great family, how "good" people are and how much happiness you wish everyone would be showered with - the thoughts you try to nail into your brain, the mental masturbation of having to wake up everyday to the same "existence" seem like such an unenticing prospect? (no matter how well-of and high-rolling you are)
Is suicide really the only option here? Why are the suicide rates so high pretty much in every developed country (Russia, Japan, US, etc) if everyone else gets such an immense kick out of life?
I think I sort of get what your getting at here.
But please don't resort to suicide, it's not the way forward. I hate to use this phrase, but in a way it's just giving up about life.
I think you might be over thinking this a bit. Try not and look into the future too much, if you can try and think about each day as it comes. What today or tomorrow has to offer.
You don't have to belong to a religion or anything to get the most out of life though. Just being with people you like/share interests with or something..
Religion's designed for a world before science, the scientific view of the universe is cold, uncaring and for the most part our existence is rather pointless. However the reason it doesn't bother me is that I know it's pointless and accept it, I just enjoy the ride. May as well make the most of it essentially!
There may not be a point to life or a point to existance but whilst you're here, make the most of it.
Life is something amazing [that sounds so cheesy XD] if you think about it in terms of atoms and molecules. Why let small social things, such as distant friends, ruin that for you? There are many things you can do with your life, and yeah I don't think there's any purpose to it at the end of the day, but you're here, you're living, so do something with it. Don't let it go to waste - suicide is NOT the way =\
In most religions (like islam, hinduism, etc.) life is considered a test. If you do well (doing the good and not bad things), you go to heaven, do bad and go to hell, I once got so depressed thinking that the after-life would be soo boring cause it'll be infinite. I was 8 or 10 or sumin like that then. It was so scary.
You just need to look ahead in life, realism with a touch of optimism is the way forward.
Life is like a game, you play it good you enjoy it. You play it better, you feel like it's butt kickin' fun.
Why all these nihilist virgins default to suicide I'll never understand. You see; Life's a bitch and then you die, that's why we get high - 'cos you never know when you're gonna go.
In my personal opinion; You're so close to the truth, you scrape it many times in your post without reaching the conclusion. "i don't want to live a blissful existence that is in itself meaningless"
I was just as depressed as that perhaps a year or so ago. Whats the point. Love is a narcissistic chemical reaction, there is nothing original, any creative output I make is unconscious theft.. etc.
If you want to go down the atheist route then yes. Life is meaningless, we are specks in the universe created by chance, that will one day be swallowed up by our dying sun so every human endeavour, no matter how altruistic, is futile and pointless.
There is no point. The only thing that justifies existence is your happiness.
You shouldn't be asking yourself "what's the point"? - that's the wrong question, because there isn't a point. You should be asking "Why aren't I happy?" - if you are happy then the pointlessness doesn't matter because its unnecessary to existence in itself. You move forward from there.
I personally settled for deism, that I would pretend any good deeds I do aren't born of selfishness, and that I can bask in the euphoria of the world, how insanely beautiful and complex it is and how I am so lucky that I even exist, when the chances of me being here are so tiny. (That not only were the cosmic forces and gases just-so that earth could form, that we as a race survived to evolve to our sentient state, that every one of my ancestors all by chance hooked up together to spawn me 19 years ago) - I find that mind blowing, so I will at least do fate the service of living out the experience it has granted me. For all I know, something insane might happen tomorrow to give my life (and yours) meaning!
Is there a point to it all ? .... no but so what? there isnt much point is eating since am gonna be hungry again any way, but i still do it cos i like it and it makes me feel better (or at least not hungry)
Why are we here? ..... Why ? You got somewhere else to be ?
Why keep on living if it wont mean anything? .....cos it might be a laugh you might enjoy it and lets be honest we are all just killing time till it kills us might as well not waste it.
Is there a heaven and hell? .... When i get there ill tell you until then i really dont care
As for which religion is best/correct as i am religiously atheistic i cant comment however iv always like Hinduism simply because any religion which has a guy who got enlightened bye being fat and jolly is ok by me !
In my personal opinion; You're so close to the truth, you scrape it many times in your post without reaching the conclusion. "i don't want to live a blissful existence that is in itself meaningless"
I was just as depressed as that perhaps a year or so ago. Whats the point. Love is a narcissistic chemical reaction, there is nothing original, any creative output I make is unconscious theft.. etc.
If you want to go down the atheist route then yes. Life is meaningless, we are specks in the universe created by chance, that will one day be swallowed up by our dying sun so every human endeavour, no matter how altruistic, is futile and pointless.
There is no point. The only thing that justifies existence is your happiness.
You shouldn't be asking yourself "what's the point"? - that's the wrong question, because there isn't a point. You should be asking "Why aren't I happy?" - if you are happy then the pointlessness doesn't matter because its unnecessary to existence in itself. You move forward from there.
I personally settled for deism, that I would pretend any good deeds I do aren't born of selfishness, and that I can bask in the euphoria of the world, how insanely beautiful and complex it is and how I am so lucky that I even exist, when the chances of me being here are so tiny. (That not only were the cosmic forces and gases just-so that earth could form, that we as a race survived to evolve to our sentient state, that every one of my ancestors all by chance hooked up together to spawn me 19 years ago) - I find that mind blowing, so I will at least do fate the service of living out the experience it has granted me. For all I know, something insane might happen tomorrow to give my life (and yours) meaning!
I kinda know what you mean- I also think life and death is so :s anta2: pointless, I drove myself crazy wondering: why do we fight so damn hard to stay alive, when eventually something's gonna take us out anyway? But then I started to actually enjoy life- in all honesty, I don't care what's going to happen to me after I die, right now I'm alive and I want to accomplish certain things before I go.
Therefore, I just think that for me anyway, the meaning of my life is to be happy. I think we're all searching for contentment and happiness- and I really don't think you need an overall purpose for it. I have goals and ambitions which make my life seem purposeful now, while I'm alive; striving to achieve them gives me that sense of purpose, and I don't care if it's a purpose which is essentially pointless because we're all gonna die- it has a point right now.
So maybe don't overthink things too much and relax, do things which you enjoy, which make you happy and fulfilled.
I went from being depressed to being normal to being depressed, but one thing keeps bugging me... whatever i do, there is no answer to that question! So? Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism, Taoism, Hedonism, anything you offer, does it have an everlasting meaning?
We are born into an unfathomable existence, on a tiny patch of space called earth that is itself a speck of dust in the galaxy that is a speck of dust in the infinite universe, and not only that, but during your entire lifespan, you will die on an even smaller patch of space on THAT Earth.
Religious people, what's the point of "Heaven", "Hell" or "Brahman" or any other mind-concoctions? That's the one thing I never really got. I don't want to be reincarnated or reunite with any Brahman, i don't want to live a blissful existence that is in itself meaningless (isn't it bound to get repetitive as well - experiencing incessant eternal orgasms and ergo not having time to consider the meaninglessness of it all?), I have no desire to commit to a life of hedonism here because that is boring as well.
So... since life is an inexplicable mystery and a torture chamber, how cruel is that we are alive? The more I think of it, the more I realize that religion does not bring meaning to life but rather, further consolidates the nihilistic meaninglessness of it all! Did it ever happen, that a guy hates Atheism as much as he hates Religion, but reaches that conclusion since in the face of one-sideness and daily monotony of life, there is nothing better to do?
In short terms, how is it possible for someone like me (don't know if there are any others) to live if two of the biggest alternatives in the world (Atheism, Theism and everything inbetween) are not satisfactory?
So if I don't belong to any category, then whats the point of waking up every morning? From that point on, it seems as suicide is the best way to cork out your brain, no responsibility, no depression, no aspirations, worries or anything else, isn't that the perfect drug?
How vain it all is. Every human category. Love, Sex, Art, etc etc. People getting fatter, people getting leaner, hunks & jocks vs pickup artists and the usual joes..., movies, learning... working... why? Who asked that "something" to bring me and countless others who wondered about the same question to to that existence? Why did I have to be coaxed? Why not just give it all to us at the outset, at least if that was case the meaninglessness could be worth something until you're dead? Why does medicine exist, why do our bodies fail, why is there anything at all, and that magical "anything" created a world that is so far away from being "fun"? Am I ever gonna get the answer to that or should I, as had been advised here countless times, "wizen up" and self-indulge in the mystery? But what would be the point of that?
Guys, do u understand what i'm trying to say here? Without any appeal to ignorance or pity, why is it that no matter how good you try to think the world is, how optimistic everything is and how purposeful the world is, how everything is going according to plan, how you're gonna end up being successful, with a wonderful career and a great family, how "good" people are and how much happiness you wish everyone would be showered with - the thoughts you try to nail into your brain, the mental masturbation of having to wake up everyday to the same "existence" seem like such an unenticing prospect? (no matter how well-of and high-rolling you are)
Is suicide really the only option here? Why are the suicide rates so high pretty much in every developed country (Russia, Japan, US, etc) if everyone else gets such an immense kick out of life?
suicide isnt an option, think of your future, your family and friends... the people that really love you, life , may seem worthless now but everyone has a purpose in life. being a christian to me i have a purpose in life and so does everyone else, and we are all here because god loves us, and even if all fails and if we reject him he still loves us just as he did before. depression is something experienced by most people, but it is something that you need to deal with by talking to those close to you or seeking professional help. people arent always nice and the world isnt always the great place to live, but you are here for a reason and life is one of the most precious things you have.
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